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Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Thu May 18, 2006 10:48 pm

I was wondering how small turboprops with ranges of 1500 - 2000km manage to get as far as New Zealand when delivered from North America or Europe. Q300s are somehow arriving here all the way from Toronto! I know its range of 1557km is likely the fully loaded figure, and it could likely fly further with only the pilots on board (perhaps a few relief crew members on board as passengers?), but when the nearest overseas airports to Auckland are Norfolk Island (1086km NW and a bit out of the way), Noumea (1832km NW), Tongatapu (1870km NE), Nadi (2146km N) and Sydney (2170km W) - I rather wonder how it's done, especially as the nearest airport north of Nadi would be Honolulu - about 4900km NE from there.
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Thu May 18, 2006 10:56 pm

Im sure they take out all the seats and put in gas tanks.

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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Thu May 18, 2006 11:51 pm

It's unlikely the aircraft would take an over water route like the what you have shown. The airceaft would hop over land till getting to a location like SYD. Then would load up on fuel and water survival equipment, and have an second aircraft shadow it to NZ.

From using the range numbers from the A.net database.
Dash-8-Q300 shows a range of 1228nm with aux tanks (with 50 pax)

Great Circle Mapper with a range of 1228nm


The B-1900D has a Max range 1496nm (with 10 pax)
SAAB 340A has a range of 2145nm (Max Fuel)
The Metro-23 has a range 1314nm (with 19 pax)

So even though these numbers are highly subjective it can reasonably be assumed that the ferry range from SYD is well with reach of all these aircraft.
 
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Fri May 19, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting Xjramper (Reply 1):
Im sure they take out all the seats and put in gas tanks.

I'd second that, i think thats what happened when they ferried a friend of mines Cessna 182 from the states : )

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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Fri May 19, 2006 3:19 am

For the lightest planes, you can always plonk them on a ship. Ships have EFLOPS (Extended FLoating Operations Procedure Specification) and thus don't have to worry about diversion harbors.
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Fri May 19, 2006 4:44 am

When the first Q300 was delivered to NZ there was a thread that showed the route. As I recollect it flew from Gander to Greenland to Iceland to Glasgow and then across Europe and Asia . Don't remember where the "jumping" off point was for the last leg to AKL.
 
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Fri May 19, 2006 5:33 am

First, the aircraft are tanked. Then they just island hop. The tanks I've seen used in the SF340 look like 2 oversized water beds. The plumbing goes out one of the windows through a special window plug and right into the fuel tank through a special fuel access panel. Cabin pressurization forces the fuel into the tank. It's a very simple and effective system. I think they would run from LAX to SYD with 3 stops..... I want to say they went LAX-HNL-GUM-???-SYD

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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Fri May 19, 2006 5:14 pm

Either these or they hop through Lord Howe Island and or Norfolk Island to Kaitaia and continue south. Using the LDH and NLK stops, the maximum for one leg less than 900km.
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Sat May 20, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting NZ8800 (Thread starter):
the nearest airport north of Nadi would be Honolulu

Don't forget Christmas Island

2 segment path: 3519 mi
NAN (17°45'19"S 177°26'36"E) CXI (01°59'10"N 157°20'59"W) 2189 mi
CXI (01°59'10"N 157°20'59"W) HNL (21°19'07"N 157°55'21"W) 1330 mi

CXI was closed a couple years ago (for resurfacing etc) and our FJ flight NAN-HNL-YVR had to go via Apia as a result.
 
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Sat May 20, 2006 9:36 pm

Thanks for the explanations... food for thought! I didn't think they'd have Transtasman ability, but they obviously do... thanks again  Smile
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Sun May 21, 2006 12:04 am

I was at the Embraer factory in Sao Jose dos Campos Brazil many years ago picking up a Bandierante and met a crew who were there to ferry one to Australia.

Their intended route was Sao Jose - Manaus - Jamaica - El Paso Texas, Los Angeles. In LA, they were going to have a ferry tank installed on the cabin deck and plumbed into the aircraft fuel system. Then the route was expected to be LAX - Hilo - (some south Pacific Island like Fiji or Funafuti) - Brisbane - Sydney.

The seats were being shipped from the factory direct.

We remarked that if they'd been able to transit Antarctica, the flight would have been about 1/3 the distance.
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Sun May 21, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 5):
When the first Q300 was delivered to NZ there was a thread that showed the route. As I recollect it flew from Gander to Greenland to Iceland to Glasgow and then across Europe and Asia . Don't remember where the "jumping" off point was for the last leg to AKL.

That makes it quite a trip for the delivery flight. With all those hops from place to place doesnt that add to the ware of the aircraft even brfore it arrives with its carrier?
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:34 am

Might be off topic but recently an Air Nelson (AZ) Dash-8 made an overnight stop here at CCR. CCR is one small airport here in California and no more than 25nm East of OAK/SFO. So I was surprised to see this thing sitting there when I was doing some T & G's that day.


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Why would they choose such a small airport. There is nothing really around this airport other than a hotel, a small golf place, and car delerships...

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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:23 pm

Its cheaper to land there.
 
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:51 pm

Sydney-Lord Howe Island-Norfolk Island-NZ and vice versa is the standard method for all sorts of light aircraft to cross the Tasman. I have also met a few turboprop twins at Sydney at the conclusion of their ferry flights. Most have gone across the North Atlantic then across Europe and Asia, but one 1900D that I met flew Wichita-somewhere in Canada (I don't quite remember where)-Anchorage-Adak-Midway-Johnson Atoll-Honiara-Brisbane-Sydney in six days and all on internal tanks. The pilot hopped out of the aircraft on the afternoon of New Years' Day, I removed and boxed his ferry HF kit, he was going to stay the night at the Sydney Airport Hilton before returning to the USA the next day to take a King Air to Angola.
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RE: Delivery Flights - Small Turboprops To New Zealand

Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
EFLOPS (Extended FLoating Operations Procedure Specification)

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