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Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:46 pm


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Whats this Experiment about.What does control Instruments test.
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:52 pm

I'd think it's a stunt, and that the titles are advertising.

Peter

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It's indeed done at airshows.


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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:20 pm

It is an airshow act and pretty dramatic, especially on a gusty day.

I'd think the tires would last a long time!
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:48 pm

I have seen the act at an airshow, billed as "The World's Smallest Aircraft Carrier". He not only lands on the truck but takes back off as well. It is a great demonstration of precise control not only by the pilot, but by the driver as well.
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:05 am



Boy, that act is just one small step away from our "conveyor belt runway" discussion....

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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:24 am

The most interseting thing with this photo is that it is the same pilot as in the pictures as "Sprout5199" discussed in a thread 2006-02-27 13:52:16.

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Just wondering, Do these look real to you?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/sprout5199/DSC1327.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/sprout5199/DSC1304.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/sprout5199/DSC1271.jpg

If they are thats some great flying

Unquote.

You can find more information about him on his own site:
http://www.flyinglions.co.za/team_members.htm

A very interesting man!! Indeed.
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:05 am

Several people do that stunt out there. Of course, its always a Super Cub. I doubt anybody has tried anything like that with anything larger.

Honestly I dont think its that difficult to do. My only worries would be disrupted airflow because of the car or gusty windy. Otherwise, heck I'd try it Big grin
 
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:48 pm

Quoting ESGG (Reply 5):

Interesting Any toppled over so far.
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:24 pm

Hey! It's the "Teeny Tiny" airport!

This guy can really fly.......
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:55 pm

First time I saw this act was at a small airshow at Truckee California. The density altitude was probably well over ten thousand feet and it was really gusty. I didn't want to watch because I was pretty sure I was going to be a witness. He pulled it off okay but he can have my share of it.

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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting ESGG (Reply 5):
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Just wondering, Do these look real to you?

If they are thats some great flying

They're real...

When I first saw those pictures going around the web, I thought for sure they were fakes. But I've since seen a video of that same flight - from several angles inside the cockpit and out.

I think the link is at work, but I'll post it if I can find it...

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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:25 pm

Back in the day, our local airport had a J-3 pilot who occasionally took off across the runway when the tower gave him the green light.

Sure enough, starting at the taxiway hold line, he'd be airborne before he got to the other side of the runway. I never saw him land across a runway but the story was rampant that he had done just that several times.

The low-speed controlability of the J-3 is amazing; you could probably land one in your driveway and taxi into your garage.
 
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:58 pm

Hi Hawk21, Buzz here. OK, you know how to draw me out... get some elderly taildragger aircraft questions going.
At Evergreen airfield (59S, soon to close for good) during one fly-in there was a stiff breeze from the northwest. One of the CFI's took a Cub up to about 500 feet, where the wind was stronger. Then at high angle of attack he reduced power and pretty much hung in one spot above the airport for a couple minutes. He must have become bored... did a few landings and put the J-3 Cub to bed. Some of us practice slow flight often, and become comfortable at it - when there's room underneath us to recover if we stall.

Taking off across a large runway? When the wind has exceeded the crosswind capability of your old airplane, then you operate into the wind, the ground roll is amazingly short. If there's a tower, you really should tell them your intentions if you -have- to land there (why not choose another place with grass in the right direction?), then declare an emergency and that permits the tower folks a lot more latitude in how they handle your unusual landings.

These old taildraggers are quite a bit different in their capability, and the way you fly them.

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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:08 pm

We had the same stunt performed at the airshow here @ Winston Salem last month. Think they were known as "something" from Alabama. Quite impressive.


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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:49 am

Here's a link to download a video of the T-6 team skimming in formation on the lake...

T-6 Team On Water

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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:03 pm

When was this Recorded.
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:50 am

Hi guys, the signage is indeed just the sponsors of the stunt with the Cub.

As for the harvards, they were on South African tv a couple of months back, they use the same principle as skiers, their tires in this case acts as the ski's. They did mention that their main problem is guessing the height above the water, espesially if there's no ripples .
 
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:50 pm

Quoting SuperDan (Reply 16):
They did mention that their main problem is guessing the height above the water, espesially if there's no ripples

Has there been any Tipping over yet.
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 17):
Has there been any Tipping over yet.

Fortunately not, not that I know of anyhow.
You can have a look at http://www.flyinglions.co.za/water_skiing.htm for more info , they mention in there that they had a team of divers and paramedics on standby as they did the stunt.
 
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:45 am

At the Fargo, ND Airsho last July there was guy named Warren Pietsch who was trying to land his Cub on top of a small motorhome. It was very gusty with a crosswind that day so he gave up after about 4 attempts.

I agree with the other though, while you are watching this you really do think you are about to witness an accident.

This link will take you to their website where you can see lots of pictures. There is also a video clip of this act being performed which you HAVE to watch.

http://www.pietschaircraft.com/gallery/rv.php
 
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 6):
I doubt anybody has tried anything like that with anything larger.

It has been tried, but with much less success....




and a successful take-off from a trailer. I would like to know how this airplane lands at this field. Does it just slide in on the grass?

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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:28 pm

Nice Links.
Thanks.
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 11):
The low-speed controlability of the J-3 is amazing; you could probably land one in your driveway and taxi into your garage.

Oh yea. Ive sen a cub personally land in less than 50ft. My shortest distance was around 150. (Im not too Cub proficient yet)

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 20):
and a successful take-off from a trailer. I would like to know how this airplane lands at this field. Does it just slide in on the grass?

Yea. I saw a Super Cub on straight floats land on the grass. Kinda justs skids on. (Was early morning with dew on the grass). Then I saw it later take back off from a trailer, was a cool thing! (didnt have my cam  Sad )
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 22):
Oh yea. Ive sen a cub personally land in less than 50ft. My shortest distance was around 150. (Im not too Cub proficient yet)

Me two, seen one fly backwards, and land vertically too. It isn't uncommon to see a SuperCub get off the ground within it's own length. Of course those are usually pretty tricked out.

About the most interesting cub experiment I thought came out of WWII. The US Navy put L-4 Grasshoppers (Cubs) on LST's and flew spotting missions with them. In order to get enough deck space they stored the aircraft topside on their noses. To land the aircraft, a cable was strung up off the side of the ship and the aircraft equiped with a hook on the top of the airplane. The pilot had to snag the cable with the hook, shut down and then the plane was craned over to the deck of the ship and stacked on its' nose with the other aircraft.The aircraft could also take off from that cable.



Sorry only photo I could find of the system.....I know that is an L-5 not an L-4.
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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:38 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
Sorry only photo I could find of the system




Here are some more shots of the boat:




http://www.combatreform.com/L4brodieandcatapultonLST.jpg












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RE: Piper J3 Landing Experiment.

Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:13 pm

I think those photos are of an earlier version, which the Navy got rid of because they didn't like loosing the deck space for the ramp.

But you do notice what they made that deck out of...PSP!
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