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Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:26 am

Here it is. Now that BOMBA released it I can show. Here is the 1st GO! Airplane and the ferry tank install

Big version: Width: 853 Height: 637 File size: 1593kb
Big version: Width: 800 Height: 600 File size: 313kb


Best part is I get to go (no pun intended) and work out there for a month. What a bummer huh?
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:43 am

Woah.

I'm guessing you have to (dis)assemble the tanks inside; they don't look like they're very manuverable otherwise. How much fuel do they each hold?


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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:26 am

I'm guessing you have to (dis)assemble the tanks inside; they don't look like they're very manuverable otherwise. How much fuel do they each hold?


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There are 6 total you can't really tell in that pic they go out okay
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:03 pm

Ahhh, ok, thanks!


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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:23 pm

Well, based on the cargo capacity of the CRJ-200... the tanks shouldn't be more than about 210 gallons each based on my calculations, increasing total fuel capacity by around 60%. But, that assumes they took off at normal MTOW, I suppose chances aren't 0 that they got a waiver and were able to take off heavier than MTOW.
 
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:14 pm

What are the 2 seats there for?
 
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:15 pm

Where and how do the aux. fuel tanks connect to the fuel system? Do they just drain into the center tank? Do they get spliced into a line? Do they have their own pump or ejector? curious minds want to know.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 5):
What are the 2 seats there for?

I would guess they are there because whatever they can fit on the airplane is something they don't have to pay to ship to hawaii.
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting Airwave (Reply 1):
I'm guessing you have to (dis)assemble the tanks inside; they don't look like they're very manuverable otherwise. How much fuel do they each hold?

It looks like each "tank" is actually 3 seperate sections, six total.

I would guess that's so they can rotate each one sideways and take it out through the overwing exit (not sure you could maneouver that out the front door w/the galley in the way ...) ...

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 5):
What are the 2 seats there for?

Those are the two seats in the way back next to the lavatory. They're not in the way of the tanks, so why remove them?

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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:36 pm

WOW sure hope they have enough fuel to make it to HNL  Smile
 
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 8):
WOW sure hope they have enough fuel to make it to HNL

Well, since the top photo was taken in HNL and (note WP) and they started ops last week, I'd say its a safe bet there was plenty of fuel  biggrin 
 
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting MesaMXORD (Thread starter):
Where and how do the aux. fuel tanks connect to the fuel system? Do they just drain into the center tank? Do they get spliced into a line? Do they have their own pump or ejector? curious minds want to know.

Exactly they have that thing loaded to gills with fuel and on the 200 the center tank feeds the wing tanks so those aux tanks gravity feed the center tank and the center feeds the wings, etc.... The vent lines tie into the existing vent system and all is good

Those seats are there exactly for that reason our FEDEX bill was getting up there 24 seat assemblies * 6
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting MesaMXORD (Thread starter):
What a bummer huh?

Mesa, we feel your pain. You are real trooper to step in there and take one for the team. Your valor brings a tear to my eye.  Wink
 
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:00 am

I'm just wondering how hard the Clearance Delivery controller at SFO was laughing as they issued a trans-oceanic clearance to a flight with the "Air Shuttle" callsign  spin 
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:30 am

This is the same way HA did with their 717s from LGB to HNL.
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
This is the same way HA did with their 717s from LGB to HNL.


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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:27 pm

Isn't there a regulation about cabin attendance during ferry flights to watch for fire and other problems? That might be the purpose of the seats. Or to ferry the mx crew... Or both combined...
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:33 pm

I would be guessing that would definitely be a non smoking flight.
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting 777WT (Reply 14):

Thanks for the pic!
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:27 am

Just got the good news! The last 200 gets there the day I fly in so I can answer some questions better about the set-up. (granted I wanted to surf not rip out tanks and put the interior back together)
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting MesaMXORD (Reply 18):
Just got the good news! The last 200 gets there the day I fly in so I can answer some questions better about the set-up. (granted I wanted to surf not rip out tanks and put the interior back together)

While you're in it, can you check out if the cabin pressurization has any effect with the aux tanks?
Like as the aircraft is pressurized for high alt. flight, does the vent system allow the pressurization to help push the fuel out of the aux tanks into the center tank?
 
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:07 am

Okay, flame me if you want, but do they need ETOPS certification for a ferry flight from SFO to HNL?
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 20):
Okay, flame me if you want, but do they need ETOPS certification for a ferry flight from SFO to HNL?

My guess would be no since this is a one time not in service flight. Just like ferrying a 747 with only 3 engines. You would need some authority to sign off on it though.
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 20):
Okay, flame me if you want, but do they need ETOPS certification for a ferry flight from SFO to HNL?

Not for delivery flights. There's 'Special Flight Permit' for those ferry flights.
 
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:14 am

Wow, neat pic.

So a question: Are these aux tanks tested in the CRJs (and in the 717s for that matter) before they are put into use on the actual mainlaind to Hawaii flights? If so, how are they tested? Do they actually do some type of proving flight first to make damn sure that the tanks in the cabin are going to feed thru into the fuel system?
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:25 am

Aloha Everyone

Quoting 777WT (Reply 19):
While you're in it, can you check out if the cabin pressurization has any effect with the aux tanks?
Like as the aircraft is pressurized for high alt. flight, does the vent system allow the pressurization to help push the fuel out of the aux tanks into the center tank?

Nope just gravity.
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:46 am

Wrong..silly humans..those are warp drive nacells... Wink)
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RE: Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting IH8B6 (Reply 23):
Are these aux tanks tested in the CRJs (and in the 717s for that matter) before they are put into use on the actual mainlaind to Hawaii flights? If so, how are they tested? Do they actually do some type of proving flight first to make damn sure that the tanks in the cabin are going to feed thru into the fuel system?

The tanks themselves are pressure tested to check for leaks. If you look at the HA 717 pics, you can see it written on the tank. Other than that, the only other test would be to check for leaks in the hoses and connections. There are no mechanical parts to check as the fuel drains from the bottom of the tanks into the fuel system.

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