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737-900ER

Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:04 pm

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_900ER_back.html
With the B737-900ER on the Assembly line.How would it Impact the sale of the B737-900.
Any Flt ops/Mx Views.
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RE: 737-900ER

Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:41 am

The base 737-900 will no longer be offered now that the ER is being produced.
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RE: 737-900ER

Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):



The base 737-900 will no longer be offered now that the ER is being produced.

Interesting.
Is a Buy back offer from Boeing on the Cards for Existing B739 Operators.
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RE: 737-900ER

Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:20 am

Has the 737 series reached it's max length with this version of the aircraft? I mean how much more can they stretch the frame before issues like weight, flex and CG adversely affect the performance of the airplane?
 
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RE: 737-900ER

Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting SP90 (Reply 3):
Has the 737 series reached it's max length with this version of the aircraft

Looks so.
Its been around quite some time Now.Guess with the B787 if sucessfull,things would change drastically.
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RE: 737-900ER

Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:52 pm

Maybe a 757 with new engines and new flt deck and wing lets....gives you a 737NG-1000ER..and may be with wing from the 787 get a LR version
 
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RE: 737-900ER

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 5):
Maybe a 757 with new engines and new flt deck and wing lets....gives you a 737NG-1000ER..and may be with wing from the 787 get a LR version

With the 787 on the way, would anyone order that?  Smile
 
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RE: 737-900ER

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:41 pm

Any Unsold B739s Lying Around yet.What are the B739 operators Views now that the B739ER would soon be Available.
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RE: 737-900ER

Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:46 pm

What's the status on the first 737-900ER? I'd guess that it's being rigged for flight testing, right?
 
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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:37 pm


Looks Good.
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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
The base 737-900 will no longer be offered now that the ER is being produced.

I agree with that. Now I hope that AS actually places a firm order for the aircraft and phase out the base 739 model.

Quoting SP90 (Reply 3):
Has the 737 series reached it's max length with this version of the aircraft? I mean how much more can they stretch the frame before issues like weight, flex and CG adversely affect the performance of the airplane?

Not if they put longer landing gears on them, making it look like a mini-me compareing it to the 752. LOL!
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RE: 737-900ER

Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:41 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):
I agree with that. Now I hope that AS actually places a firm order for the aircraft and phase out the base 739 model.

9W too has placed an order for the B739ER.They currently operate a few B739s.I think it would make sense to send those back.
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RE: 737-900ER

Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Brendows (Reply 8):
What's the status on the first 737-900ER? I'd guess that it's being rigged for flight testing, right?

Pretty close. I saw it very recently in Renton. It is built and the Boeing people are doing measurements and tests on it right now (weights etc). I don't think it has flown yet.
 
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RE: 737-900ER

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:29 am

Why didn't Boeing give the 900ER the legs to fly more transatlantic flights now that the 757 is out of production?
 
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RE: 737-900ER

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 13):
Why didn't Boeing give the 900ER the legs to fly more transatlantic flights now that the 757 is out of production?

For a couple of reasons:
- There's only so much you can do with the airframe. You would have to increase tankage to the such a degree that it would encroach on luggage/cargo/payload. Longer aircraft with the same wing = less fuel in proportion to weight. Stretches typically have shorter range.
- Little demand for such an aircraft. If there was big demand, the 757 would still be in production.
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RE: 737-900ER

Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 14):
Little demand for such an aircraft. If there was big demand, the 757 would still be in production

Also to add.Fleet Commonality makes it advantages to have a fleet of B737NGs aka A320 Family. $$$ saving matters.
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RE: 737-900ER

Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:14 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
9W too has placed an order for the B739ER

Is that true Mel? BTW they have 2 right now VT-JGC and VT-JGD.

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RE: 737-900ER

Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting VictorTango (Reply 16):
Is that true Mel? BTW they have 2 right now VT-JGC and VT-JGD.

Olly

Thats true The Existing ones are B739s.

9W will probably replace them with the New B739ER Aircraft when delivered.
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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 14):
Little demand for such an aircraft. If there was big demand, the 757 would still be in production.

The 757 wasn't crossing the pond as much as it now does. Airlines weren't taking full advantage of its capabilities until recently. There is no airliner to fill the role as a good domestic and niche transatlantic plane in the meantime and there won't be until... So why not offer the capability. Perhaps the fuel capacity on the 800 could be increased to offer an slightly small but capable aircraft for the role.
 
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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:18 am

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 18):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 14):
Little demand for such an aircraft. If there was big demand, the 757 would still be in production.

The 757 wasn't crossing the pond as much as it now does. Airlines weren't taking full advantage of its capabilities until recently. There is no airliner to fill the role as a good domestic and niche transatlantic plane in the meantime and there won't be until... So why not offer the capability. Perhaps the fuel capacity on the 800 could be increased to offer an slightly small but capable aircraft for the role.

You have a point about a long and thin route aircraft. But I still don't know if there's enough demand to justify a radical change to the 739ER (and the 321).
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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:23 am

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 18):
Perhaps the fuel capacity on the 800 could be increased to offer an slightly small but capable aircraft for the role.



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 19):
But I still don't know if there's enough demand to justify a radical change to the 739ER (and the 321).

I think the likes of ANA's future long ranger more than satisfies the demand for range if not capacity, so a radically altered 739 might be obviated, were it not for CASM issues.
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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 20):
think the likes of ANA's future long ranger more than satisfies the demand for range if not capacity, so a radically altered 739 might be obviated

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q1/060131a_nr.html excerpt
SEATTLE, Jan. 31, 2006 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today launched the 737-700ER (Extended Range), following an order conversion from ANA (All Nippon Airways) for two airplanes. The 737-700ER has the longest range capability of any 737 commercial family member, and is able to serve new nonstop, point-to-point routes profitably.

The airplane features the fuselage of the commercial 737-700 and the wings and landing gear of the larger 737-800. The high-performance derivative can fly up to 2,145 nautical miles farther than the current 737-700. With up to nine optional auxiliary fuel tanks and optional Blended Winglets, the 737-700ER is capable of flying up to 5,510 nautical miles.

I think you implied about ANA's new 737-700ER but your post reads as it is a 900ER variant.
 
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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:46 pm

Any plans for BBJ based on B737-700ER.
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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:21 pm

Hawk, the BBJ and the 700ER is the same aircraft with different cabin configs.
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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting Chksix (Reply 23):
Hawk, the BBJ and the 700ER is the same aircraft with different cabin configs.

Isn't the BBJ1 a B737-700 not a B737-700ER ie Flat Rear pressure Bulkhead.
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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:43 pm

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 18):
The 757 wasn't crossing the pond as much as it now does. Airlines weren't taking full advantage of its capabilities until recently. There is no airliner to fill the role as a good domestic and niche transatlantic plane in the meantime and there won't be until... So why not offer the capability. Perhaps the fuel capacity on the 800 could be increased to offer an slightly small but capable aircraft for the role.

Perhaps the reason why stretched versions of the 737 aren't offering near-757 capacity and range capabilities is that the 757 isn't "old" yet. Production was shut down less than a year ago, and even airlines that had recently discovered the value of 757s for long and thin routes had plenty of time to order more 757s, knowing full well that no new comparable aircraft would be available for nearly a decade.

The implication is, therefore, that 757 sized aircraft are doing quite well for current owners, but no one needs brand-new replacements any time soon. I suspect that most long and thin route operators have 757s that have plenty of life left in them, at least untill a new version is available. Thus, the market for such an aircraft won't "mature" again untill the 757s have flown their hearts out. Just a hunch...

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RE: 737-900ER

Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:47 pm

I didn't know about the bulkhead... I got my info from http://www.b737.org.uk/ and http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/bbj1/specs.html among some other places.

They have the stronger wing structure of the 800 and aux fueltanks. They are shipped "naked" to a 3rd party company that rigs the interior according to customer spec.

That's all I know unfortunately
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RE: 737-900ER

Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 21):
I think you implied about ANA's new 737-700ER but your post reads as it is a 900ER variant.

Yes, I implied ANA's 737-700ER and was fully aware it's a -700 variant, that's why I remarked that a substantially reworked 739 might not be needed, if not for the higher seating capacity (it does have more seats, doesn't it?)
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RE: 737-900ER

Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:19 am

Does someone have any more details about/pictures showing how the two-position tail skid on this bird functions?
 
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RE: 737-900ER

Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:11 am

Any Pics on this Flat Rear Pressure Bulkhead.
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RE: 737-900ER

Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:34 am

Is it true that the CO order didn't include ETOPS certification???
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RE: 737-900ER

Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:43 pm

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RE: 737-900ER

Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 31):

Nice Pics.Why a 5 month test programme.There arn't many changes.Whats the reason.
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RE: 737-900ER

Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:39 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
Fleet Commonality makes it advantages to have a fleet of B737NGs aka A320 Family. $$$ saving matters.
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To add to that quote, the more diverse a family becomes, the more niche models with lower production runs that can be made and still be profitable.

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