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Marshalling Signals - Differences.

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:25 pm



Is there a difference in the Types of Marshalling Signals approved by FAA & CAA/JAA.
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Worldwide.
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RE: Marshalling Signals - Differences.

Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:09 pm

In the GA world, I have seen dozens of different methods of accomplishing the same thing. Some FBOs have been very professional, using lighted batons at night and the familiar airline-style hand signals. Others have used more of a point-and-poke method. In general, it's pretty easy to figure out what they want you to do, and even easier to figure out if you're not doing it -- they can get very excited in a hurry.

I've seen different airlines at the same airport use different signals. There is a list in the AIM of so-called "approved International" hand signals, but some or all of them appear to be modified according to a specific airline's SOPs.
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RE: Marshalling Signals - Differences.

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:36 pm

Minor differences occour, however as posted, its pretty obvious to the pilot what i'm asking and even clearer when i want them to stop haha!
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RE: Marshalling Signals - Differences.

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:07 pm

Any Links on the Net Depicting the Signs used by FAA & CAA.
I found this one.
http://www.cafes.net/thacap/Marshalling_files/frame.htm
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RE: Marshalling Signals - Differences.

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:34 pm

Here's one from the AIM:

http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/Chap4/aim0403.html

Scroll down to section 4-3-25. It's pretty generic though.
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RE: Marshalling Signals - Differences.

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:37 am

I have noticed, as a private pilot, several FBO employees cross their hands into an "X" shape while marshalling me...I usually talk to them afterwards about the proper signals  Smile . When I was an FBO employee (and I believe the AIM concurs on this matter  Wink )I was taught that that is the "emergency stop" signal. I was taught that the stop signal was to hold one's hands/light wands straight up.

The emergency stop signal should signal an immediate stop is imperative, along with an immediate shutdown, which can result in, for example, powerplants being shut down without checklists being followed, and/or a lurching stop.
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RE: Marshalling Signals - Differences.

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
I have noticed, as a private pilot, several FBO employees cross their hands into an "X" shape while marshalling me...I usually talk to them afterwards about the proper signals . When I was an FBO employee (and I believe the AIM concurs on this matter )I was taught that that is the "emergency stop" signal. I was taught that the stop signal was to hold one's hands/light wands straight up.

The emergency stop signal should signal an immediate stop is imperative, along with an immediate shutdown, which can result in, for example, powerplants being shut down without checklists being followed, and/or a lurching stop.

The signal to stop an aircraft is to raise the hands above the head and cross them in an X. The same when controlling a Tug. Clearly indicate to the driver the above signal and he'll bring the aircraft to a stop.
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RE: Marshalling Signals - Differences.

Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:30 am

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Aircraft_marshalling_signals.jpg

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RE: Marshalling Signals - Differences.

Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Bri2k1 (Reply 4):
Here's one from the AIM:

http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/Chap4/aim0403.html

Scroll down to section 4-3-25. It's pretty generic though.

Wow, the ground marshallng signals in the AIM is much smaller than it used to be (circa early 1990's!). Looks like I may now be wrong on the stop signal...  Sad
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RE: Marshalling Signals - Differences.

Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 7):

Nice Display.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
I was taught that that is the "emergency stop" signal. I was taught that the stop signal was to hold one's hands/light wands straight up.

Not for Night ops using Marshalling Torches.

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