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Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:53 am

Just curious what type of cargo do cargo/freight planes typically carry ??

One thing that comes to mind is seafood.

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Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:14 am

Look in the dictionary and everything in there that doesn't explode or is extremely flammable is shipped on cargo planes. I once had to FedEx 100 lbs of a certain type of sand from Ohio to Mexico.
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:18 am

Flowers, fish, electronics, import foods, mail, dead bodies, etc.
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
Look in the dictionary and everything in there that doesn't explode or is extremely flammable is shipped on cargo planes.

The fuel on the plane can take care of that... tapedshut 


To add a few items: young chicken, time-sensitve spare parts, just about everything with a high value...
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
Look in the dictionary and everything in there that doesn't explode or is extremely flammable is shipped on cargo planes.

 no  We ship fuel (automotive, heating and aircraft types) and explosive gas( Propane) all the time with our freighters. Plus food, building materials, household goods. etc. You name it we have shipped it.

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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:27 pm

Out here its mainly Cargo comprising of sea food,Electronics,Mail.
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
Look in the dictionary and everything in there that doesn't explode or is extremely flammable is shipped on cargo planes.

What makes you think that such material is not carried on cargo planes?
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting ShowerOfSparks (Reply 6):
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
Look in the dictionary and everything in there that doesn't explode or is extremely flammable is shipped on cargo planes.

What makes you think that such material is not carried on cargo planes?

If the DGR clears it.It goes.
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:28 pm

Quoting ShowerOfSparks (Reply 6):
What makes you think that such material is not carried on cargo planes?

he uses typical in the question. I would not regard anything that needs a special permit or special permission as typical. If the right papers are in order you can transport just about anything. Why is it that some people here insist on trying to provoke arguments?
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
Why is it that some people here insist on trying to provoke arguments?

Hey, no worries man. I don't think anyone was trying to start an argument. Big grin

I know at FedEx we used to ship just about everything. Anything you can think of has probably been shipped at some point through air cargo. We even had a time-sensitive box of medicinal samples that had to get overseas overnight. Turned out they were vials of sperm. Big grin

Point being, like someone else said, if you have the right papers, have things cleared with customs, and have the shipping company's okay, you can ship just about anything that'll fit.  yes 
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Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:39 am

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Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:11 am

Here's one unique shipment that was done recently, I can't remember what state it was shipped to or from but I do know how it was done:

An marine aquarium place wanted to ship a whale from one state to another state in the USA. FedEx said they can't do it, or they wanted too much.
UPS said they can, so UPS took one of their 747's, modified the cargo hold to hold a whale in water.
Loaded the whale in it along with a few vets.
Flew it to the airport at a slow rate of climb and descent, then had 2 'Circles of Stars' drivers (no accident since being employed by UPS for over 20 or 25 years) drive the truck from the airport to the aquarium with one controlling the front and another from the rear. That has to be one really long truck.
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:06 pm

I have personally seen all of the following on freighters; horses, jet engines, cars, trucks, helicopters, heavy machinery, rowing skulls, electronics, general goods and much more. I remember overhearing some flight crew talking about how some of their colleagues flew a quantity of dynamite or TNT. Apparently, this was encased in much dry ice to lower the risk??.

The only things that won't be flown are individual items that are too large to fit, or too heavy to lift off the ground.

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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:08 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 9):
We even had a time-sensitive box of medicinal samples that had to get overseas overnight. Turned out they were vials of sperm

What about Blood samples.Is there a special Restriction on them.
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
What about Blood samples.Is there a special Restriction on them.

I've been out of the loop for many years, but I'd guess that goes up front, as do any and all organ donor parts. I have delivered MANY 'pieces & parts' to PIC's.

Anyway, seafood, flowers, and as someone before said....chickens, roosters, baby rabbits and ducks at Easter, etc., etc.... Man, it's really unlimited.
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:18 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
What about Blood samples.Is there a special Restriction on them.

Allow me to rephrase, as I didn't READ the question. (age)

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Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:51 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
What about Blood samples.Is there a special Restriction on them.

Yes there is, it's a biohazard item. Same with disposed needles, medical office supplies waste.
 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:25 am

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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 17):
don't forget satellites

Ahh you beat me to it.  Smile
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
What about Blood samples.Is there a special Restriction on them.

Yeah, there are usually restrictions and a lot of paperwork that follow anything related to medicine or bodily fluids.

However, a lot of companies here in the states operate small twin engine aircraft that do nothing but fly samples around the nation. Every now and then they'll be called to transport some high-value bank statements or the like, but most carry blood samples, medicine, and other high-value time-sensitive items. They do this to bypass having to deal with a major shipping company and the charges associated with it, especially when they're shipping 2-3 loads a day.

Its a good job to rack up hours as well.  Big grin
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:48 am

I know someone who flies 747F's for NW. He says coming out of Asia the a/c is usually full of clothing.
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 20):
He says coming out of Asia the a/c is usually full of clothing.

No rubber dog sh** out of Hong Kong?  Big grin





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Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:36 am

We fly anything that's legal. IATA/ICAO DG regs list items that are prohibited from carriage by air and even some of these MAY be carried with prior exemptions. Nothing is carried outside of the cargo compartments. The crew handles no cargo. Some cargo may have a accompanying courier. Having said that if it's legal and fits, it's been carried.
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:21 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 19):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
What about Blood samples.Is there a special Restriction on them.

Yeah, there are usually restrictions and a lot of paperwork that follow anything related to medicine or bodily fluids.

Not if they are marked non-infectious. We carry blood samples from Okinawa several times a week. All we do is go to Public Health and show them the "Non-Infectious/Non-Hazardous" statement, which is always listed on the invoice, and it gets released. It is only considered a DG because the blood samples are packed with dry ice. There is no additional paperwork included in the document pouch that comes with the airwaybill. We always open the docs pouch since that is where the invoice with the statement is located.

As for medicine, we transport a lot of this as well, and no special paperwork necessary unless it is marked as DEA restricted. Only then does it need to be inspected and stamped off by Customs.
 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 23):

Unless FedEx has changed something in the recent years, there was always paperwork involved with shipping any type of medicinal substance, more specifically the temp. controlled ones. It always went through, but for the international flights it took a lot more documentation.

That's good to hear that yours puts it through pretty fast.
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:52 am

We ship sheet music and software via FedEx and UPS air every day.
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:08 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):

No offense or anything, but I just wonder if maybe you were thinking commercial flights instead of cargo flights. There are many more restrictions on commercial flights when dealing with cargo...
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 23):
It is only considered a DG because the blood samples are packed with dry ice.

What about Crew risks in case of Bad packaging or leak.Any safeguards.
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 27):
What about Crew risks in case of Bad packaging or leak.Any safeguards

Hawk21m, That holds true for any and all DG. It's taken very seriously.
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 26):
maybe you were thinking commercial flights instead of cargo flights

I was thinking cargo. I remember when my job required me shipping alot through FedEx (2000lbs a day) that there were alot of things I could not ship through them with out special permits.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 26):
No offense or anything,

None taken. I just hate when people start off there responses with "what makes you think" or "you obviously aren't" type of inflammatory words. I just don't see the point in putting other people down even if they are ignorant. I think people should always remember that unless they invented it there is always someone who knows more on a subject matter then they do.
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:31 pm

While at FedEx, i remember seeing so much stuff I never imagined would get ona plane. FOr instance.. ANd entire Landing gear assembly for a B767, John Deere Tractors, frozen concentrated orange juice (thats a loe heavier than I would have thought), Uranium (in a big lead "egg" and put way in the back), ammunition, blasting caps, all manor of flammable liquids, solids, corrosives. Orangutang, horses, cows, entire freighters of Beaujoles (spelling?) Wine, 300000 lbs on cigarettes. 150,000 lbs of Pringles chips. 80,000lbs of golf balls. Something like 45,000 lbs of lollipops to EuroDisney. Ferraris's, Porsches, Lamborghinis, Mercedes, the first Honda S2000.

Now thats what I put on the planes. The Ex-Tigers guys i worked with put much more exotic stuff.. RHinos, a Giraffe (seriously I saw the pictures), elephants, oil rigs. They took a windshiled off a DC-8 to load a sailboat mast through it once, ironicly when the mast got to the destination no one there could figure out how to get it out. It flew around for weeks before some one called our station to ask how they put it on.

FedEx at one time had a contract to fly the Limited sompanies clothes over. One of the stores they run is Victoria's Secret. Some of the pilots used to call it the "Panty Express".

ANd i've seen pictures of the Heavylift guys flying locomotives and boats and stuff. The moral is.. Anything not bigger than the plane.. we'll probably put it on.
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 28):
Hawk21m, That holds true for any and all DG. It's taken very seriously

True.Agreed.I was referring to What action by crew in case of Leak,can lead to Infections.
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Fxra (Reply 30):
They took a windshiled off a DC-8 to load a sailboat mast through it once, ironicly when the mast got to the destination no one there could figure out how to get it out. It flew around for weeks before some one called our station to ask how they put it on.

That got to be a PITA just for a sailboat mast.

Remove the windshield screws, remove the sealant, put sailboat mast in it.
Re-install windshield with new sealant. Do inital torque, then the final torque. Let it cure, do a pressure check.

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Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 31):
I was referring to What action by crew in case of Leak,can lead to Infections.
Are the Crew Quarintined.

Sorry I was on a trip and just got to see this. For one, we do not go back and investigate. If it's a fire warning you blow the bottles and land. If it's an odor, O2 and land. As I posted , no freight is carried in the cockpit or anywhere outside the cargo area so you shouldn't come in contact with any liquids. Bacteria may be a different matter but most labs, etc should pack things correctly.
 
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Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 27):
What about Crew risks in case of Bad packaging or leak.Any safeguards.

Not really since we are only dealing with non-infectious substances and the only DG in the shipment is the dry ice. We get these shipments on pax planes and the crew has no access or interaction with the cargo. For us employees who do deal with DG, we do have a protocol to deal with DG accidents.
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 34):
For us employees who do deal with DG, we do have a protocol to deal with DG accidents.

What would be the Safeguard for the Loaders while a DG Shipment leaks.
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 35):
What would be the Safeguard for the Loaders while a DG Shipment leaks.

For the most part, any DG packed according to the IATA DGR should be more than strong enough to prevent damage/leakage. UN specific packaging is very durable. For further safeguards from leakage, we will place any liquids on an absorbant sheet and wrap it in plastic. We also will almost always load it on a ULD, which is always lined with plastic, no matter the commodity.

We ship out and ship in a lot of live fish. The bags of fish and water are tightly sealed, packed in a foam carton lined with a plastic bag, covered, taped, and then placed in a corrugated carton, which is then taped. Liquid DG is similarily packed.
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
What about Blood samples.Is there a special Restriction on them.

About twenty years ago I flew FC on an Eastern L-1011 MIA-LAX and the guy sitting beside me had a white box that read HUMAN HEART in red letters on all six sides. He was delivering it California for a transplant.
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 36):

Agreed on the Transport safety.I was reffering to Incase a Package leaks & the Loader gets in contact with it.What medical issues arise.
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:50 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 38):
I was reffering to Incase a Package leaks & the Loader gets in contact with it.What medical issues arise.

If you want specifics I would say you need to get a DG specialist to addres this question. I, as a crewmember, for example, really wouldn't be involved with the loaders and their rules and regs. I was just commenting on crew procedures..CC
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
What about Blood samples.Is there a special Restriction on them.

that reminds me! i saw bull sperm on a UPS 752 once ill 

i've seen on C-5 Galaxy in SBN. it's incredible how much stuff fits in there. helicopters, hummers, all the tools for the various a/c wandering about when the president is in town. it's never ending! the only thing that comes to mind when i explain it, is when the magician keeps pulling scarves from his sleeve. i wish i was able to see how everything fit, but it sure was fun watching from the ramp as they just kept bringing more and more stuff to load/unload
 
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RE: Typical Cargo On Cargo Planes

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 39):
If you want specifics I would say you need to get a DG specialist to addres this question.

In fact I just did.As per them it involves Medical checks & Quarintine until its proved no spread.
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