IAHFLYR
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JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:00 am

Anyone know if JetBlue trains for VOR approaches with their flight deck crew or only for RNAV's?

If they train for VOR's, then the approaches are still in the Airbus database and also in their Jepps charting?

Thanks in advance.
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RE: JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:18 am

 
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RE: JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Thread starter):
Anyone know if JetBlue trains for VOR approaches with their flight deck crew or only for RNAV's?

If I understand you correctly then it depends on whether a VOR app is in their operating specs. If it is they will be trained on VOR app.

Quoting IAHFLYR (Thread starter):
then the approaches are still in the Airbus database and also in their Jepps charting?

Yes
 
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RE: JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 1):
good luck

I'll need it!

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 2):
If I understand you correctly then it depends on whether a VOR app is in their operating specs. If it is they will be trained on VOR app.


Exactly, or should be trained on them for revenue flights!
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RE: JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
Exactly, or should be trained on them for revenue flights!

If it's in the ops specs then they MUST be trained in them. EG. here, I've NEVER shot an ADF app for real in the MD-11 BUT we did them every 6 mo. in the sim because we COULD. Thank goodness that's over.
 
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RE: JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:32 pm

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 4):
If it's in the ops specs then they MUST be trained in them.


Yeah, I'm just curious if they are in the ops specs!
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RE: JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:51 pm

JFK uses two VOR approaches pretty regularly - the VOR to 22L and the infamous VOR to 13L (the Canarsie approach). So I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't train for VOR approaches.

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RE: JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
JFK uses two VOR approaches pretty regularly - the VOR to 22L and the infamous VOR to 13L (the Canarsie approach). So I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't train for VOR approaches.


I would as well but since the other day a crew told a controller going into HOU they could not accept the VOR30L approach with the ILS out they would need the RNAV30L!

I am not sure they have recieved the RNP approval yet for the JFK RNAV (RNP) approaches they've been working which may be a replacement for the VOR's or higher min RNAV GPS approaches. The RNAV RNP has got almost CAT I ILS mins. Much the same work is ongoing with CO at IAH and EWR, as well as other operators in other cities.
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RE: JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:50 am

I know this topic 2 years old now...... but I did hear a JBU take the VOR13R about a year ago, it may have been the visual overlay, not 100% sure. I recall that transmission b/c it was a female pilot and right as she read back the clearance the PF disconnected the auto-throttles and it could be heard over the radio. Also, the (RNP) procedure for airlines has been NA for a LONG time since a crane either brakes the OCS/ROC or is in the primary protected airspace for the missed approach segment .........

-----!FDC 8/0512 (KJFK A2073/08) JFK FI/T JOHN F KENNEDY INTL, NEW YORK, NY. (SPECIAL) RNAV (RNP) RWY 13L, ORIG... PROCEDURE NA. TEMPORARY CRANE 272 MSL 6097 FEET WEST OF RWY 13L.

!FDC 7/6424 (KJFK A0731/07) JFK FI/T JOHN F KENNEDY INTL, NEW YORK, NY. (SPECIAL) RNAV (RNP) RWY 13L, ORIG... MISSED APPROACH HOLDING: HOLD E DEER PARK (DPK) VOR/DME, LEFT TURNS, 260 INBOUND.-----

These two NOTAMs have been up since I can remember.

P.S.
I stumbled across this topic after I posted my LP approach one and was also just thinking about the RNAV(RNP)s into JFK as well....

[Edited 2008-08-23 18:57:13]
DME/DME RNP0.3 NA -Escalators don't break---- they just become stairs!
 
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RE: JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:57 pm



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 7):

I would as well but since the other day a crew told a controller going into HOU they could not accept the VOR30L approach with the ILS out they would need the RNAV30L!

This could have been an issue with missing a specific approach plate, rather than a training issue.
 
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RE: JetBlue And RNAV/VOR Approaches

Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:38 pm



Quoting Star_world (Reply 9):
This could have been an issue with missing a specific approach plate, rather than a training issue.

Possible...... but pilots usually carry all charts for approaches that they can do to airports that are in the airlines network, even some RNAV charts that are not even in the FMS databse yet. I know at UA that is the case with the exception to RNAV plates, those are only carried by 777/744 pilots and only for the hubs/bases(IE... LAX, SFO, ORD, IAD, SEA, and DEN) and a few possible approved diversion airports that publish RNAV(GPS) alternate minimums.

Heck..... maybe they are like me and were crazy about the new RNAV stuff and saw a chance to shot one fall into their lap. I know DAL has great RNAV approaches that can be picked up from the FINGR3 arrival off the SLANT feeder route. Its a very picturesque approach that goes right over a lake. But IIRC that's for the 13s....
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