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How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:29 am

I'm sure this is a dumb question for most of you out there but I really want to know. I am really new to all this , I really just loved looking at the planes, but seeing the cockpit pics on this site I wonder how pilots get into their seats without having to step over the controll pannel.Please be help ( and don't laugh at me for asking )
 
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:35 am

Most seats slide back enough to get your foot in. If not the center console is less than a foot off the ground, making it fairly easy to step over.
 
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:38 am

You climb over.

I'm not a pilot, but I have visited the cockpit of several planes. Each time the pilot was delighted to give me a tour (especially when I have a bit of knowledge of exactly what kind of plane I'm on!!) and take my picture sitting in the pilot's seat.

I may be 40, but each time, I'm a seven year old at Disneyland for the first time.

And yes, one must climb over the console to get in. Ingress/egress takes a back seat to functionality.
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:48 am

We pilots don't sit down, we just set the buttons and then bring in blowup dolls found under every cockpit seats to look like we are in the cockpit.

In seriousness the seats move back or just a nice slide step over the console does it.
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:01 am

the seat often times can be moved or readjusted. Otherwise, climb over and watch your head.
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
one must climb over the console to get in

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Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:32 am

Sounds alot like boarding an Arrow-brand multiloop rollercoaster - step over the side and watch that your head doesn't bump the horsecollar restraint.

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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:33 am

One of the requirements for being a pilot is being a contortionist with acrobatic training. Getting the chart bag in and out of position, in airliners, also is a trick and one of several reasons why many older pilots develop back and shoulder problems.

But, most modern airliners are far and away better designed for the pilots than early planes where it seems that the pilot was an afterthought. Take a look at the cockpit of a DH 104 Dove some time!
 
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:50 am

As some have said, seats slide back. In most widebodies, there tends to be more space and the seat will slide back and then to the side (sometimes in a mechanized fashion).

BTW if you think pilot seats are hard, try some jump seats. On the DC-9/MD-80 the jump seat comes out of the left wall in the passage behind the center console. It then blocks off the entirety of the passage. On the Avro/BAe-146 you have to stand with your feet pressed up to the console while leaning over the throttles and holding on for dear life to the glare shield. The F/O will then reach behind his seat and slide the jumpseat out behind your ass. After it is unfolded, you can lean back and place your posterior in it.
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Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:54 am

Board the airplane. Put your suitcase in an overhead rack near the forward end of the cabin. Stop at the galley and grab a trashbag. Explain to the flight attendant that he/she will have galley power in just a moment once you flip a few switches. Ask for a cup of coffee.

Step onto the flight deck. Hang the trashbag on the appropriate knob or switchguard. Walk to the inboard corner of your seat and set your flight bag on the outboard side of it, on the narrow bit of deck between the seat and the sidewall.

Slide the seat all the way aft, if it isn't already. Almost all airliner pilot seat tracks have a turn outboard at the aft end. When the seat goes all the way aft it will also go three to five inches away from the center pedestal.

Step between the seat and center pedestal with your inboard leg. (right leg for left seat - left leg for right seat) Lean over the seat and grab one of the installed handles for support. Step over the seat with your outboard leg and place that foot on the deck just outboard of the control column.

Bring your inboard leg over and you are now standing in front of the seat.

Sit down! (This is important.)

Not a dumb question at all. It is not obvious how one does this and you might assume we don't walk on the seats. When I was about 13 I sat in the right seat of an EC-121 at a USAF open house. On my way in I kicked a knob on the center pedestal and shattered it. The crew were a bunch of nice guys but I saw them roll their eyes. Sorry guys, size ten shoe, size four hat. What can I say?
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting Tony1477 (Thread starter):
How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

What is a "Piolt"?
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Tony1477 (Thread starter):
How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Everybody's talking about the nice cockpits of airliners but most planes are not that nice and it takes a whole lot to get in without breaking something. Have you ever tried to go from the back seat of your car to the front seats? Kind of like that. One plane that comes to mind, is the Lear, if you waist size is more than 34 inches the FO is going to have to ease your fat through the openings.
 
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:48 am

As for GA planes, a C172 is pretty much like getting a seat in a tall SUV, step on the foot rest in the landing gear strut, step up and place your posterior in the cushion.

On something like a PA-44, which only has one door, and in the wrong side of the plane (damn you Piper!!!) It takes a lot more aerobic skill. You have to somehow slide all the way to the left seat, without banging your head on the door frame, without kicking the flap lever, cowl flap levers and destroying the throttle quadrant. The most annoying plane to get into an out of...  Yeah sure
 
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 12):
and in the wrong side of the plane

Not for the CFI Smile I like the BE76 myself, the plane has three doors!
 
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 12):
It takes a lot more aerobic skill.

Huff and puff.  Wink I think you mean "acrobatic". Aerobic has to do with muscle use/exercise.
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 14):
I think you mean "acrobatic". Aerobic has to do with muscle use/exercise

Two different ways to portray the same idea I meant Big grin

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 13):
Not for the CFI

Tell that to my IP, he's a pretty large dude  Wink
 
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 12):
As for GA planes

If anyone else knows how to get into the cockpit of a Grumman AA-5 series plane without leaving a size 10 indentation in the lower seat cushion, I'm all ears...  Wink So far the only method I've discovered that works is to take one step on the lower seat cushion, and I'm sure that that can't be good for the upholstery on the said part.
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 16):
If anyone else knows how to get into the cockpit of a Grumman AA-5 series plane without leaving a size 10 indentation in the lower seat cushion, I'm all ears...

That is why you rent.  Smile Had a choice one year between the AA-5 and a Rockwell 112 to go to a family event. Door on both sides was pretty nice but steerable nosewheel - mandatory!

This was the toughest I can recall:

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Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 17):
DeHavilland of Canada DHC-2 Beaver. Yes, that is the entire pilot door on the left side. Try that with a parachute on some time.

So how was the dude able to get out the door, onto the left float, and fix the engine in flight in Never Cry Wolf  Wink Big grin  silly 

You know, if Hollywood thunk it, it had to have happened  Wink
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):

You know, if Hollywood thunk it, it had to have happened

Of course, just like the escape pod in Air Farce 1. That movie also used other well known elements such as green instrument lighting in the bad side fighters to make sure you knew those pilots were evil.
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 17):
This was the toughest I can recall

The Hawkeye probably has the toughest cockpit to get into. The flight deck is higher than the cabin and you actually have to pull yourself up to get into the cockpit. And the passage way into the cockpit is only about two feet wide.


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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:17 pm

All the DETAILED descriptions!! You guys missed the simple stuff. Into and out of the cockpit seat can be described in a single word!!



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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:32 pm

Most Seats have mvmt Vertically & Horizontally,Some Move Rearwards & Outboard to permit Egress.
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:54 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 20):
The Hawkeye probably has the toughest cockpit to get into. The flight deck is higher than the cabin and you actually have to pull yourself up to get into the cockpit. And the passage way into the cockpit is only about two feet wide

What happens if you have to leave the plane in a hurry while in flight?
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 20):
the toughest cockpit to get into

The long vertical climb into a shuttle orbiter's front seats looks pretty hazardous, especially when wearing a bulky space suit.
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 23):
What happens if you have to leave the plane in a hurry while in flight?

Look at the size of those 8-bladed props. I certainly wouldn't want to be jumping from the cockpit...  Big grin
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 25):

haha. i dont think anyone would.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:21 pm

On a classy aeroplane like the VC10, you get into the seat from the outboard side
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:55 am

Toughest to get into? B-17!


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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 28):
Toughest to get into? B-17!

Well remove that "DO NOT ENTER" sign and it would be a piece of cake!
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The Extra 300L requires the occupant of the front seat to roll a rug out onto the wing, climb up onto it, carefully lower him/herself down into the front seat, retrieve the rug, and stow it securely in the cockpit:


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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 8):
On the DC-9/MD-80 the jump seat comes out of the left wall in the passage behind the center console. It then blocks off the entirety of the passage.

At least they give you some little foot rests on either side of the pedistal for something to prop up on. Getting one pilot out to use the john while you're sitting in the jumpseat can be quite a feat too- hope you're not afraid of being near another dude.

At least they got it right with the widebodies huh? A 767 or 777 jumpseat is just as comfortable, and easier to access, than the pilot's seats.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 9):
On my way in I kicked a knob on the center pedestal and shattered it. The crew were a bunch of nice guys but I saw them roll their eyes.

SlamyClick, destroyer of AF early warning capabilities  Wink I'm sure every time you see a Connie you think of that one time.

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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 31):

At least they give you some little foot rests on either side of the pedistal for something to prop up on

Those are indeed nice. But you have to remember to keep your feet firmly planted. They spring back up with vicious force and make a loud "CLANG!" when they hit the console. Not something you want to startle the pilots with on final. Big grin

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 31):

At least they got it right with the widebodies huh? A 767 or 777 jumpseat is just as comfortable, and easier to access, than the pilot's seats.

Well it's easy with all that space.  Wink
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:52 pm

I used to love watching a 310lb FO getting into one of the Lear 35s I used to take care of....unless it involved replacing bent fuel panel switches (on the center pedestal...sometimes inadvertently used as a 'step'). Once he was in...to get clearances and such...HE WAS IN! He'd stay in the cockpit for an hour and a half when pax were late!...just sweating his poor ass off since 95 degree weather wins in the freon air conditioning vs. heat battle! I can only laugh about it now since he now flies GIV...a bit more comfortable and better climate control! Super pilot though.
 
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RE: How Do Piolts Get Into Their Seats?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:34 pm

What about the Escape Hatches thru the Windows.How many can fit thru them.
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