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How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:09 am

When do they start? Does taxi time count? Does everyone on the flight deck claim flight hours or just the pilot who is holding the controls? If you are stuck in a taxi way holdong for an hour is that counted?
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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:30 am

You log time off the hobbs meter. It counts in 1/10 of an hour and starts turning when the plane is turned on and stops when the plane is shut down. So yes, taxi time, holding time, ect is counted.

Now, if everyone on the flight deck logs the time the answer is it depends. I'll let someone else answer if they can before I look it up in the FARs to make sure I'm right.
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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 1):
You log time off the hobbs meter. It counts in 1/10 of an hour and starts turning when the plane is turned on and stops when the plane is shut down. So yes, taxi time, holding time, ect is counted.

In the airlines, of those who have it, 100% of flight time is tracked on the ACARS. I tells you when the brakes are released/engaged(block-in/block-out), when the aircraft leaves/hits (off and on).
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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:47 am

In recip aircraft, I use the Hobbs meter. Its accurate enough and, in my opinion, any inaccuracies average out in the end.

However, one has to be mindful in complex aircraft. Often the hobbs meter tracks flight time, not the block time or the time the electrical system is turned on. A weight on wheels switch controls its operation.

In these aircraft I pay attention to my block times and use that to log my flight time. Thats what I get paid for and what goes in the paperwork, so it also works out well that way.

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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:15 am

I know alot of folks who are building time in recips will log time as PIC as well as whoever's in the right seat, provided the other guy is "under the hood", as a safety pilot...good way to time build for both.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you could technically log taxi time even if you just taxied the aircraft from one end of the airport to the other and only logged .1, as you're technically operating the aircraft. I've never claimed time for it, but I know some guys who do.

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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
I know alot of folks who are building time in recips will log time as PIC as well as whoever's in the right seat, provided the other guy is "under the hood", as a safety pilot...good way to time build for both.

The only way to legally do this is if the safety pilot has agreed to be the PIC for the flight, otherwise, you COULD log it as SIC time, but why do that.

One must remember that as PIC you are responsible for the safety of flight, so if the other pilot screws up, its your fault in the FAA's eyes.

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you could technically log taxi time even if you just taxied the aircraft from one end of the airport to the other and only logged .1, as you're technically operating the aircraft. I've never claimed time for it, but I know some guys who do.

I did it once when the oil pressure was acting up!  Silly

It cost me $30, so I felt that between making a safety of flight decision and paying for the taxi time, I was justified.

As long as you are properly rated and it doesn't become a habit, the occasional (once in my case) taxi log, probably won't be a problem.

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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 5):
The only way to legally do this is if the safety pilot has agreed to be the PIC for the flight, otherwise, you COULD log it as SIC time, but why do that.

Right, I've done it on some training hops where I was splitting time with someone else and they needed some instrument time and someone else to watch to make sure they weren't going to kill themselves.

As for the taxi thing, you're probably right with that, I took a 182 back after it didn't run up right, it didn't cost me anything but I had the 'intent' to fly  Wink

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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
In the airlines, of those who have it, 100% of flight time is tracked on the ACARS.

It all depends on the airline as not all have ACARS. Many track from wheels up to wheels down. Some track from off the gate to on the gate.
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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:44 am

I believe WN counts off and on times, so hence why everyone taxies so damn fast. Kind of cheap of them but it motivates them to taxi faster.

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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:41 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
but you could technically log taxi time even if you just taxied the aircraft from one end of the airport to the other and only logged .1, as you're technically operating the aircraft.

While it may be technically legal, I'm sure many would frown upon it. Many times I've returned to the ramp either prior to or following my run-up because something wasn't right. I've never logged the time.

I just make a point to fly a bit longer next time.  Smile
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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:02 am

I log my time from out to in. My out time starts when I spin the first engine and my in time is the time the chocks go in. For the purposes of airframe time, we only track off and on times, as well as landings. Everything runs off of my $30 Timex.
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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:23 am

I know some airlines don't have acars but the OOOI times, how does that work?
 
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RE: How Do You Track Flight Hours

Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 11):
know some airlines don't have acars but the OOOI times, how does that work?

Captain's watch or cockpit clock. Once you pass 10,000 you radio your out/off times to ops or dispatch. When you arrive you pass the on/in along to be entered.
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