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Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:00 pm

Is it normal ops to deplane through a door on the right side of the plane at some airports? If so where and please tell me what the biggest type of aircraft is that flies there.
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:37 pm

Very rare. Most right side doors are smaller the the doors on the left side as they are used for servicing only
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:46 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Very rare. Most right side doors are smaller the the doors on the left side as they are used for servicing only

The reason most airliners load from the left is because the cargo is loaded on the right. While a few airliners have smaller doors on the left it is far from most.
 
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:49 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Very rare. Most right side doors are smaller the the doors on the left side as they are used for servicing only

Does anything bigger than the CR9 have bigger doors on the left?
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Does anything bigger than the CR9 have bigger doors on the left?

The MD-80 series does, IIRC.
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:01 pm

MD-80 series does, correct.

I couldn't imagine the mess on the right side of the a/c, in terms of servicing.

Most aircraft fuel on the right side (save for the 767 and 777, etc), and all of their cargo bin doors are on the right- and oftentimes the catering is there too. Imagine having a jetway, fuel truck, k-loader, belt loader, and several tugs/trailers servicing one side of the aircraft. Heck, it gets busy on the right side as it is.

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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:03 pm

Boeing 737 1L is bigger than 1R
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:26 pm

TWA had at least one gate at JFK with a jetway on the right side of the aircraft. I was aboard a TriStar that used this gate in 1986.
 
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:39 pm

Quoting PennStation (Reply 7):
TWA had at least one gate at JFK with a jetway on the right side of the aircraft.

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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:02 pm

The BEA Comet 4B that I flew from ORY to LHR on in 1969 had the main passenger door on the right hand side. The L1 door was a small servicing door. No good for jetways, but there weren't any then!
 
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 9):
The BEA Comet 4B that I flew from ORY to LHR on in 1969 had the main passenger door on the right hand side. The L1 door was a small servicing door. No good for jetways, but there weren't any then!

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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:41 pm

The doors on the AC Right on the A320, B733,734,738 and B752 are all a bit smaller than those on the left. I should know, when I first started flying I would always hurt my head on leaning out of the RHS doors - took me most of a summer to remember to duck.  Smile

As everyone has already pointed out the servicing takes place on the right, and if you used steps instad of an airbridge to load on AC Right then there would be no space to do anything, especially on the 737.

Wasn't it the SUD Carvelle? that normally boarded from the right?

There is a shot of some SAA 747s with steps on the RHS taken on a refulling stop somewhere on the Database.

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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 11):
The doors on the AC Right on the A320, B733,734,738 and B752 are all a bit smaller than those on the left.

Are you sure about the A320? I fly on A319s as cabin crew and the L and R doors all look the same size...
 
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:02 pm

Most jet aircraft board from the Left. It was origionally due to tradition and is mostly these days due to cargo being loaded on the right and that the Left doors are sometimes larger and that the Left aisles are also usually wider.
There have been previous threads discussing this
http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...?searchid=90604&s=boarding#ID90604
http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...rchid=2986914&s=boarding#ID2986914
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:40 pm

Quoting WexCan (Reply 12):
Are you sure about the A320? I fly on A319s as cabin crew and the L and R doors all look the same size...

I can't remember now (since I've not flown since the end of October - damned seasonal contracts), but I think the R doors are slightly smaller, but I guess you would fly on that type more than me I would only get one A320 trip a month with about 13 757 trips  Smile

It should be intresting to note however that on the 752 the doors at L3 & R3 are the same size (since they are both emergency use only doors), and R1 is the smallest door on the aircraft (its also the nastiest to open).

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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:34 pm

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 14):
I can't remember now (since I've not flown since the end of October - damned seasonal contracts), but I think the R doors are slightly smaller, but I guess you would fly on that type more than me I would only get one A320 trip a month with about 13 757 trips

From what I can see they're the same - we use 1R for Ambulifts and 2R for catering and unless they're a little bit smaller in width they're definitely the same height.

3L/R on the 752 are the doors hinged at the bottom aren't they? The ones that "fall out" so to speak? I've heard that the main pax doors on the 75 are quite difficult to open in any case compared to other aircraft - gives me a nice fuzzy feeling having simple doors to operate. Handle goes up, door slides to one side, simple lol.
 
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:36 pm

On our B737s & B757s during the Rainy season.We use the RH Doors due to Rain water rushing in from the Left side.All Airlines use this procedure.
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:37 am

Is that not difficult what with 1R on the 737 being smaller?

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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 16):
On our B737s & B757s during the Rainy season.We use the RH Doors due to Rain water rushing in from the Left side.All Airlines use this procedure.
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Not her ein the US they don't. The doors on the right in the Boeing 737 are smaller, I'm 5'5" and I have to duck to go in and out.
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting WexCan (Reply 15):

Right, like I said its been some time since I worked an Airbus. Abilifts would come to R1 and the catering would come to both RH doors.

Yup those 757 doors are hinged on the bottom, nice and simple to operate just lift the handle up and push the door out, the door drops out like a drawbridge. The normal entry service doors are awful (the UK CAA has now officially noted that these doors are overweight and dangerous, however nothing can be done about it). They don't have power assist for during normal ops and they are real hard for anyone to open, especially some of the girls.

I admit, those Airbus doors are great, but they also seem to make new crew nervous (since both the arming lever and door open lever move upward to disarm...).

1R on the 737-400 at least was always a bit tricky because of the curve of the fuselage, or was that 2R? I forget  Smile....

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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 19):
1R on the 737-400

You are correct, 1R on ALL 737's is hard to close due to the curvature of the fuselage. I almost need to get a "running start" to close the door....I hate when it's left open.
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 19):
I admit, those Airbus doors are great, but they also seem to make new crew nervous (since both the arming lever and door open lever move upward to disarm...).

Can understand that, but surely new crew should have a bit of sense to work out the arming lever is the small one and the opening lever is the big one? Or that the arming lever is (usually) yellow and the opening lever is (usually) orange.  Smile
 
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting WexCan (Reply 21):
Can understand that, but surely new crew should have a bit of sense to work out the arming lever is the small one and the opening lever is the big one? Or that the arming lever is (usually) yellow and the opening lever is (usually) orange.

Yeah but over here blowing a slide is the number one fear amongst new crews simply because they would get sacked. Yeah the arming lever is yellow and the opening handle is orange. The arming handle also has a plastic cover over the top and on some airlines birds actually has part of "ARMED" written across it (so when you push it down it makes the word armed on the door).

Mind you I suppose people are just afraid of the Airbus in general, most of the crews I flew with prefered the 757 because it felt tougher (the little bus really creaks and everything). I like it though, Mind you I'd like it if they stuck me on a tri-motor  Wink

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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 22):
(the little bus really creaks and everything)

I remember my first flight as A319 crew - I'm by no means a nervous flyer but it would have been nice if they told us the doors creaked so much. They did tell us about the "dog barking" sound pre-pushback though which was nice of them - I'd have been on the phone to the FD asap about a poor dog barking otherwise  Smile
 
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting WexCan (Reply 23):
remember my first flight as A319 crew - I'm by no means a nervous flyer but it would have been nice if they told us the doors creaked so much. They did tell us about the "dog barking" sound pre-pushback though which was nice of them - I'd have been on the phone to the FD asap about a poor dog barking otherwise

Well my first flight as crew we had a full compliment (the 5 + myself and another supernumary), the captain was on a check flight so I couldn't sit in there (there's only 6 jumpseats on the A320), I had to take a passenger seat. As we were heading out to the runway the guy infront of me reclined his seat - he got a shock when I calmly stood up and leaned over the back of his seat to say "could you put your seat back sir?". Anyway I remember the approach into RHO was very windy and I'm sat in an isle seat this time and boy those oveheads shake a lot - still had a laugh chatting to the woman in C.

They never told us about the creaking, shaking or even the PTU but I already knew about that since it comes up here once a month  Smile

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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 18):
Not her ein the US they don't

I meant All Airlines out here  Smile The Rains in BOM can be really bad at Times.

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 20):
You are correct, 1R on ALL 737's is hard to close due to the curvature of the fuselage. I almost need to get a "running start" to close the door....I hate when it's left open.

On the Contarary 1L being Bigger is more Heavier than 1R on the B737.
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 25):
On the Contarary 1L being Bigger is more Heavier than 1R on the B737.

It may be heavier but what he's saying is that the shape of 1R makes it more difficult to close.
 
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting WexCan (Reply 26):
It may be heavier but what he's saying is that the shape of 1R makes it more difficult to close

How would the Shape differ on the B737,its just the Height.
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 27):
How would the Shape differ on the B737,its just the Height.
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The FWD doors of the 737, contrary to what it may seem, do NOT sit exactly across from each other. The R1 door sits further up than the L1 door and is also a little shorter. Because it does sit up further it plays against the curvature of the fuselage when trying to open and close it. It's VERY difficult.
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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:43 pm

I have been cabin crew for many years now and I can count the amount of times I have seen pax using doors on the right hand side of the aircraft on two hands – it’s extremely rare!

Quite often different airports will allow or not allow use of door L1 or L2.

On our Boeing 747 aircraft we prefer to use door L2. This door is positioned at the bottom of the stairs leading to the upper deck. While passengers are boarding the cabin crew can direct them in any three directions, left, up or right. This means pax whom are seated in Club have a lot less traffic passing through their area of the cabin. If we use door L1 all but our First pax have to pass through the Club cabin!

At the more modern airports certain stands have double jet ways, which means they can connect doors L1 and L2 at the same time. This system works very well when you have just arrived at a stand and 380 pax want off the aircraft, however during boarding quite often you will still only use door L2 or possibly use door L1 for First pax only.

I always remind my crew at British Airways, outside the aircraft – the left side of the aircraft is ours, the right side is theirs (meaning baggage, servicing etc).

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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 11):
There is a shot of some SAA 747s with steps on the RHS taken on a refulling stop somewhere on the Database.

Ilha do Sal in the Cape Verde Islands, I have done this a couple of times myself, it's funny how approaching the aircraft from the "wrong" side under floodlights makes it seem so much more impressive!


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RE: Boarding/Deplaning Through Door 1R Or 2R?

Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 28):
The FWD doors of the 737, contrary to what it may seem, do NOT sit exactly across from each other. The R1 door sits further up than the L1 door and is also a little shorter. Because it does sit up further it plays against the curvature of the fuselage when trying to open and close it. It's VERY difficult

True.....However its lighter & easier to move according to Me.
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