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Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:33 pm

I must admit, that on my second cross-country I landed on the wrong runway in Concord NH. It was early and there were no other aircraft operating, but I felt rather dumb and learned a lesson. But, went on to learn another. Because I was flustered and it was so early that I couldn't get fuel, I decided to get out of Dodge and quickly press on. I approached the Poughkeepsie NY airport with fuel gauges on "E". When paying for the fuel, the manager mentioned that the aircraft (C-152) took 23.5 gal. Oops, that only leaves one useable gallon. Thank God they had given me a straight-in approach. They say He watches over drunks and fools! Any other dummies out there?
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:40 pm



I landed on a taxiway once, but it was intentional and perfectly legal.



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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:06 am

No. You are actually the first person to ever land on the wrong runway. It is a milestone in aviation and you'll be known far and wide. Here is proof...

http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.html

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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 2):
No. You are actually the first person to ever land on the wrong runway. It is a milestone in aviation and you'll be known far and wide. Here is proof..

I'm looking for first-hand experience in landing on the wrong runway or at the wrong airport. Your reply was uninformative, because I'm guessing most are aware of these well-publicized mishaps.
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:27 am

Well, it wasn't exactly a big deal, and not exactly what you're looking for, but I lined up and ended up on short final the wrong direction (ie downwind), at an uncontrolled airfield. The guy on unicom/advisory suggested runway 20 and I set-up for runway 2 which had a 5-10 kt tailwind. I realized on short final and went around.

I was a student pilot at the time but it could have been nasty if there was other traffic departing.

One reason why I prefer the European 2-numeric runway numbering, in which case it could have been more difficult to confuse 20 and 02 (maybe!).


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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting Redcordes (Thread starter):
the aircraft (C-152) took 23.5 gal.

OMG. I read that and had to do a double take. Really running on fumes there.

Quoting Redcordes (Thread starter):
Any other dummies out there?

Well, I've never landed on the wrong runway.

Almost side-loaded a plane a couple times on practicing crosswind landings. Every once in a while I still get into sticky situations but try to use better judgement.

Practicing soft field takeoffs in about a 15 knot direct headwind. Gave it full power and all that lift took my nose right off the ground and hit the tail pretty hard.

First solo. I was so scared in getting my radio transmissions and watching out for other aircraft my first landing was done without doing the pre-landing checklist. I think the only thing I got was flaps 30 because by that time it was muscle memory in the pattern I had been around it so many times.

Landed so hard the engine stopped on the runway. Now, in my defense this particular plane had been giving me engine trouble for a while at that point and getting it on the ground was my priority, not looking good. But it probably still looked pretty bad from anyone who was watching.

In a few years of flying I've racked up a few stories. Never landed on the wrong runway though.
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:07 am

Well it could happen any time specially when your tired or when crew are not concentrated.
I have an ATC friend that told me that most of wrong landing occurs when two runways are parallel to each other ( 35R & 35L ), or when landing on runway 13------ or ------31 .

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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:57 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
I landed on a taxiway once, but it was intentional and perfectly legal.

Details Big grin

BTW 9W 1st scheduled commercial flight landing was on a wrong runway & Wrong Airport too  Smile

What a start.But a great recovery today. bigthumbsup 


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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:52 am




Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Details

At Oshkosh, the big fly-in held every year in Wisconsin. There are so many arrivals, the parallel taxiway (along 36) is used as a runway. It's the taxiway to the right of the main runway in these shots:



Notice all of the aircraft on exhibit to the left of the runway(s):




It's a great time, but I would personally avoid flying in VFR.



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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting Redcordes (Thread starter):
(C-152) took 23.5 gal

From what i know the 152 has 24.5 capacity but only 24 gal usable. I used to work as a fueler at ZBB (a training airport) and i liked to keep the tanks on all the flight school aircraft topped right off so i would not get bugged in the evening. One time i went to go fill up a particular 152 after it landed, and i filled it up with just over 98L which is pretty close to the 24 gal mark. This particular 152 did not have LR tanks. Also I know a story told to me a member of an inflight crew (very good source) for an unnamed airline that a 343 landing in HKG landed taxied and shut down with a total of 500 usable ibs left. Scary eh.
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:23 am

Adding to my last post, sorry forgot to mention but one of my most bone headed mistakes was when i buzzed a BC ferry in active past. While i did buzz it i kept well of its port side, but after thinking about it i am sure the captain of the ship would have wanted to report me, luckily for me i never got a call from TC. Another moment where i did not think was when i got in a Dog fight with a P-51, not smart yes but it was just one of those moments that are too good to let up on. Here is a "pilot report" from the incident.
Pilot Report: Dog Fight W/ P-51 In A C152 (by ZBBYLW Nov 1 2006 in Trip Reports)

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 8):

Out of curiosity 2h4 what are you flying in that looks like a pretty nice aircraft.
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 9):
From what i know the 152 has 24.5 capacity but only 24 gal usable

26 gal total. 13 each side. 24.5 useable.
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:49 am

i have not yet made that mistake, but i probably will sometime. lol
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting Redcordes (Thread starter):
Any other dummies out there?

I've never landed on the wrong runway or at the wrong airport, but I've had trouble finding the airport (in the pre-GPS days Big grin ). For me, airports buried in the middle of cities, especially in daylight, are hard to find. At night, the black hole around the airport, along with the airfield lighting, makes things much easier.

HIO and MAF are two airports that I've had trouble making out from their surrounding cities. Now, with GPS on board, no problemo.

Before you guys give me grief, I got my PPL in the southwest USA, where the airport is usually on a bluff or mesa out of town a little ways, and black asphalt or white-grey concrete stands out quite well from the surrounding terrain features  Wink Besides, having mountains around in the vicinity makes the airport location much more obvious.
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting Redcordes (Thread starter):
I must admit, that on my second cross-country I landed on the wrong runway in Concord NH. It was early and there were no other aircraft operating, but I felt rather dumb and learned a lesson

Is it a controlled field? If not then you can't land on a wrong runway. Its up to the pilot to choose the runway.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 4):
The guy on unicom/advisory suggested runway 20

Suggested is the key word. And you dont even have to announce your intentions. But if you do crack up or hit someone, look out for the FAA.

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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 14):
Is it a controlled field? If not then you can't land on a wrong runway. Its up to the pilot to choose the runway.

You sure can land on the wrong runway. It might not be in a FAR, but runway selection at uncontrolled airports is in the AIM and Advisory Circulars and if you go against them it will be deemed 'less' safe. Land downwind, and/or against the traffic flow and they'll get you with the FAR 91.13 "careless or reckless operation...".


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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:04 am

My uncle has come out of the clouds from Texas to 0G6 and he was about 30 miles off course. He then proceeded to call to 0G6 and land at an airport about 30 mi south of 0G6.

A friend from 0G6 has also landed on an intersecting taxiway, kind of illegally but the crosswind on 08-26 was kicking his ass. He made three passes at it before he decided to land on "18-36," if it were really a runway. He stopped with about 500 feet to spare. Pretty sweet bit of piloting.

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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 15):
Land downwind, and/or against the traffic flow and they'll get you with the FAR 91.13 "careless or reckless operation...".

What if I wanted to get some crosswind practice in???? That's not reckless, just making use of a good training opportunity.

From a confusion standpoint, check out MIA, OPF and TMB. Almost identical runway layout for all three and the smaller two are both underneath the class B and only 6-10 NM from MIA.
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:51 am




Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 10):
Out of curiosity 2h4 what are you flying in that looks like a pretty nice aircraft.

Alas, those are just example images I found to illustrate the runway configuration. I've only taken 172s and 182s into OSH.



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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:22 am

Quoting 3DPlanes (Reply 17):
What if I wanted to get some crosswind practice in???? That's not reckless, just making use of a good training opportunity.

Right, if it's not reckless or careless it's fine. But, pick a runway that's across the current pattern and there's 5 aircraft doing touch-and-goes, it wouldn't be smart and might be an unsafe maneuver. That's why at a busy controlled airport, ATC might not allow the use of a crosswind runway just for the heck of it....it doesn't make it safer just because there's no controller to say no.

Another example, try explaining to the NTSB and FAA that it wasn't careless, running off the end of a 3000ft runway with a 20kt tailwind ... just because it was an uncontrolled airport.


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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 11):
26 gal total. 13 each side. 24.5 useable.

Yes, that's my information also.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 14):

Is it a controlled field? If not then you can't land on a wrong runway. Its up to the pilot to choose the runway.

No, it wasn't a controlled airport. So, yes and in some cases you are right but often, and in this case, there is a "preferred calm-wind runway"-- and I had chosen that runway. However, I landed on another which turned out to be the shortest, worst-conditioned, potholed runway. Once I turned to final for that runway, I was landing come hell or high water.

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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:38 pm

Quoting Redcordes (Reply 20):
Once I turned to final for that runway, I was landing come hell or high water.

Now that is scary. You couldnt go around? you in a glider? Sorry but this is worse than landing on the wrong runway.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 19):
Another example, try explaining to the NTSB and FAA that it wasn't careless, running off the end of a 3000ft runway with a 20kt tailwind ... just because it was an uncontrolled airport.

Did you read the last sentence in my post?

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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 21):
Did you read the last sentence in my post?

Yes, I was simply commenting on the fact that you can land on the 'wrong runway' whether it's a controlled or uncontrolled airport. You seemed to imply that even though you might get issues with the FAA/NTSB, you can still choose any runway you want at an uncontrolled field. This is not the case, even if you don't end up crashing  Wink

I think we agree ... mostly  Wink


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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:50 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 22):
I think we agree ... mostly

I think so also, just splitting hairs.

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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:25 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 22):
You seemed to imply that even though you might get issues with the FAA/NTSB, you can still choose any runway you want at an uncontrolled field. This is not the case, even if you don't end up crashing.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong... Understanding that the "FAA is waiting to bite" and call damned near anything a "pilot error" issue, I'm not sure what other decision criteria there are...

I'm not talking about preferred runways or interfering with other traffic in the pattern.

If there's no conflict and the winds are not too out-of-whack, what -real- restrictions are there to runway selection at uncontrolled fields?

Bear in mind, at the controlled field I fly from, tower will give you (you can, of course, decline) runways that will result in crosswind takeoffs and landings just to make things easier on them, or to make your taxi shorter.

Given a similar situation at an uncontrolled field, you seem to be stating that I can't make the same choice...
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:14 pm

Landing at the wrong airport is fairly common in San Juan Puerto Rico. I lived in USCG Base Housing right next to Isla Grande Airport, SIG, for 2 tours/8 years. Their runway was almost perfectly lined up with SJU and only about 5 miles apart. I easily saw a dozen planes land at SIG instead of SJU. One IIRC was an Iberia bird that had to be stripped down to make it out of there. Saw another land on the road leading to base housing thinking it was the runway. I unfortunately saw two birds go in the drink while I was down there. Both were fatal. Never a dull moment for the USCG SAR Dawgs.
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RE: Anyone Landed At Wrong Airport Or Runway?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting 3DPlanes (Reply 24):
If there's no conflict and the winds are not too out-of-whack, what -real- restrictions are there to runway selection at uncontrolled fields?

No more restrictions, or more importantly, no less restrictions than at a controlled field.

Quoting 3DPlanes (Reply 24):
Given a similar situation at an uncontrolled field, you seem to be stating that I can't make the same choice...

Sure you can make the same choice.

My point was just that it appeared there was some thinking that just because there isn't ATC at an airport, you can just choose whatever runway you like. IMO runway selection should be no different whether it's controlled or uncontrolled, the difference is ATC help in the decision in one case. If ATC thinks it's not OK to land on a specific runway because of conditions/traffic, then it's no more safe just because a controller isn't there ... in fact one might argue it's far less safe.

Remember there are quite a few incidents at uncontrolled fields.

I often flew to uncontrolled field to practice touch-and-goes, and crosswind landings  Smile

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