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Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:51 am

What do you call the drop-down display that reflects pertinent info to the pilot?
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:02 am

You talking about the Head's Up Display (HUD)?
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:07 am

Yep, that's it. Many thanks.
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:13 am

Are they actually "drop down", or are they painted in light on the windscreen from a fixed camera?
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:23 am

Drops down and the information is reflected onto it, see below.


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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:31 am

Cool - just like a fighter pilot then.

"BA114 Heavy, MiGs dispatched.Turning right to two seven zero and descending to 15000. Reporting a medical emergency since all my passengers are vomiting."

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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:53 am




Quoting Sleekjet (Thread starter):
What do you call the drop-down display that reflects pertinent info to the pilot?

The official term is "HGS", which stands for "Heads-up Guidance System".



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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:57 am



Well, we may as well make this thread into a game, eh?

Identify THIS!



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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):
Identify THIS!

Would that be some kind of spoilers?
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):
Well, we may as well make this thread into a game, eh?

Identify THIS!




2H4

Clearly it is a pigeon denial device (PDD). Everyone knows that bird droppings are murder on paint. When the aircraft is going to be parked for an extended period of time, the crew must remember to deploy these to keep the birds from landing on top of the fuselage. The slight increase in weight an complexity is made up for by the reduced cost in cleaning and painting. Boeing will include them as standard equipment on the 787. Airbus is scrambling to include them in the A380. And that is the real reason for the production delays. You can fit a lot of birds on top of one of those Airbuses.
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:38 am




Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 8):
Would that be some kind of spoilers?

Yep! Can you identify the airplane?  eyebrow 



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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:41 am




Quoting Lowrider (Reply 9):
Clearly it is a pigeon denial device (PDD).

Well, you're both correct. This particular example is an STC, modifying the original PDD so that it may also serve an aerodynamic purpose.

Now let's see....who can identify the aircraft.....  scratchchin 


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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10):
Can you identify the airplane?

No, unfortunately I don't know enough (or anything actually) about this system to tell what A/C that is.
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:50 am




Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 12):
No, unfortunately I don't know enough (or anything actually) about this system to tell what A/C that is.

That's a good sign, actually. It indicates your mind functions normally, and that you have something that resembles a life outside of aircraft photos and basement aircraft knowledge.....unlike some....uh....people I know.  angel 



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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 11):
Now let's see....who can identify the aircraft

You got me, I just typed the first thing that came to mind. Having slaughtered my fair share of birds this week, that is what I thought of.
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 11):
Now let's see....who can identify the aircraft.....

A Bonanza, or Baron. Maybe?
 
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:07 am




Quoting Onetogo (Reply 15):
A Bonanza, or Baron. Maybe?

Neither of those...notice the perspective/height.



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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:37 am

Is it a high wing A/C?

I'm thinking about a Shorts 360.

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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:40 am

I am going to guess some sort of three engined jet, such as a Falcon 50, 727, Yak, L1011, or something similar. I think is some sort of fence, vane, or VG.
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:13 pm




Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 17):
Is it a high wing A/C?

Yes indeed. It is not a three-engine jet.

I'm heading out to the movies now, but will check back in afterward. Keep those educated guesses coming....  Smile



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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:15 pm

Just a wild guess - bleed air holes for anti-ice protection on somethink like an ATR?
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting Acabgd (Reply 20):
ATR

I doubt it. The ATR's have a roundish fuselage, but this A/C's left side looks flat and vertical.
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:28 pm

Then I will go with some sort of spoiler. Flight or ground I can't say. Only problem is I am not sure if I am looking at a leading or trailing edge. Lack of visible control surface leads me to believe leading edge. Lack of ice protection makes me think trailing. Of course I am assuming the wing is intact here. How about a Casa 212?

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 17):
I'm thinking about a Shorts 360

If so I would love to hear the reason for it. Its not like that aircraft needs more drag.
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:19 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10):
Yep! Can you identify the airplane?

The OV-10 Bronco uses spoilers like that. I remember because I built a 1:72 model of one. They would commonly use a two-tone gray paint scheme like that too.
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:25 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10):
Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 8):
Would that be some kind of spoilers?

Yep! Can you identify the airplane?

These are spoilers? How are they extended/retracted? My first guess would be cable system, although it would be pretty cool to see hydraulic mini-actuators.  Big grin

In your picture, it looks like the trailing edge of a wing in the foreground, and the tapered rear fuselage in the background (with lots of rivets). It reminds me of the planes that were built back in the golden days, when we as engineers, pilots, etc, still were trying to figure out how aerodynamics worked.
 
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:44 pm




Quoting MissedApproach (Reply 23):
The OV-10 Bronco

.....And MissedApproach gets it! Well done!

Here's the uncropped photo:



Quoting 787atPAE (Reply 24):
when we as engineers, pilots, etc, still were trying to figure out how aerodynamics worked.

....Or, in this case, disregarding aerodynamics altogether, and simply engineering the simplest, most effective design possible, a la A-10.  biggrin 



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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:36 pm



Ok, here are a couple more interesting ones:







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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:47 pm

Quoting MissedApproach (Reply 23):
The OV-10 Bronco uses spoilers like that

http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
Interesting link.
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RE: Identify This

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):
Identify THIS!

At first glance, looked to me like like one of those human powered subs designed by MIT grads.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 25):
Here's the uncropped photo:

That guy in the background, is he sitting, standing, bending his knee backwards?
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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:53 am




Quoting Lehpron (Reply 28):
That guy in the background, is he sitting, standing, bending his knee backwards?

I don't know...looks like he's sitting, facing the spoilers...



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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 26):
Ok, here are a couple more interesting ones:

For the first one, I am going to go with a Canadair CL-415
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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:07 am




Quoting Lowrider (Reply 30):
For the first one, I am going to go with a Canadair CL-415

Well done, Lowrider! It is indeed a CL-415:


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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 31):
While you're chewing on that second one, here's another to work on:

Jetstream 31?
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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:21 am



Nope....not a Jetstream...


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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 31):
While you're chewing on that second one, here's another to work on:

I was going to say Lockheed Jetstar, but I don't think the fuselage is wide enough.
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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:29 am



The Jetstar is a good guess, though....the side windows are very similar. The Jetstar's side cockpit windows are quite distinctive, though.

I think you'll smile when you realize what this one is....  Smile



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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:36 am

It looks so close to a Metro/Merlin, but the cockpit isn't quite right either. This one is driving me insane.
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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:42 am




Quoting Lowrider (Reply 36):
It looks so close to a Metro/Merlin, but the cockpit isn't quite right either. This one is driving me insane.

It'll dawn on you eventually. For the record, it's not some obscure French military experiment, or anything....it's an airplane we all know and love.



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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:11 pm

Looks to me like an Embraer. But the big splotchy thing behind the door, presumably part of a missing wing structure, looks too far forward to be an EMB 135-145. Perhaps an EMB 120? That curvy-droopy foreward-most cockpit window gives it a way. Unless i'm wrong, in which case it gives away nothing.
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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:20 pm

Wait wait. I take that back. Beech 2000 starship. Still, though, that splotch, if it is indeed a hole or blank spot where the wing should be, is too far forward.
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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:22 pm




Quoting Speedracer1407 (Reply 38):
Looks to me like an Embraer.

Another excellent guess, but it's not an Embraer. The Embraers have a taller fuselage than this bird, and a more pronounced cockpit window droop.



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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:29 pm




Quoting Speedracer1407 (Reply 39):
Wait wait. I take that back. Beech 2000 starship.

And Speedracer1407 nails it!

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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 36):
it's an airplane we all know and love.

--2H4, for some reason i can't get this thing to quote you properly. It insists on quoting Lowrider instead.

I was wondering why you'd assume that we all love the ERJ's. I fly them a lot, and ....respect them--and I'm a nice guy, even to pieces of machinery.

Is there a story behind the descrepancy between the 2000 fuselage in the hangar and the finished product? Notice that, on the production aircraft, the front-most passenger window is much farther back and the hanger one, and that the wing is also further aft than in the hanger photo. I didn't think this aircraft had a large enough production run (tiny, as I recall) to account for different fuse lenths.

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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:08 pm




Quoting Speedracer1407 (Reply 42):
I was wondering why you'd assume that we all love the ERJ's.

Oh, I wasn't referring to the ERJs with the 'know and love' comment.....I was referring to the Starship. I think it's safe to say we all know and love that airplane.  Smile

Quoting Speedracer1407 (Reply 42):
Is there a story behind the discrepancy between the 2000 fuselage in the hangar and the finished product?

I don't think there is a discrepancy. I think the painted (and closed) cabin door makes the side of the fuselage appear longer. Continuous colors and textures tend to increase visual length.


Here's the next shot:





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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:31 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 43):
.....I was referring to the Starship. I think it's safe to say we all know and love that airplane.

I do. I wish we would see more development of the canard configuration.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 43):
Here's the next shot:

That is a tough one, where do you find these?
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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 43):
Here's the next shot:

Uhm, some kind of Illyushin/Antonov/Beriev with some weird mod?
 
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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:11 pm




Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 45):
Uhm, some kind of Illyushin/Antonov/Beriev with some weird mod?

Well, given that this example is a bit of a mutant, that's good enough for me. It's a Beriev A-50 Mainstay, which is based on the Illyushin Il-76 Candid:






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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:21 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 43):
I don't think there is a discrepancy. I think the painted (and closed) cabin door makes the side of the fuselage appear longer. Continuous colors and textures tend to increase visual length.

I'm an idiot. I failed to recognize the fact that, in the hangar photo, the door was a big black hole, and the other photo showed the door closed. Simply stupidity.

BTW...the other the answer to the next challenge is, I believe, an E-2 Hawkey.
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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:48 pm



Is is indeed a Grumman E-2 Hawkeye. Does anyone know how the colored lights are used, specifically? I assume it's for the cat guys, but I'd like to hear details...



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Maybe there'll be a prize for the first person to reach 10 points...we'll see how things go....




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RE: Identify This

Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:34 pm

Its not a YS 11, is it?
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