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Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:29 am

A few weeks ago, I was picking an airline pilot friend up at ALB and noticed an unmarked car cruising the parking lot with two uniformed men and a device mounted on top of the car about 12 inches in diameter and about 2 inches thick. It had an intake grill on the front and a cable running into one of the windows. WTF ? Hillary Clinton had arrived about 2 hours earlier and guessed she would be headed out soon. Any thoughts or similar observations ?
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:36 am

Do you have a picture? It sounds like it could have been an antenna of some sort.
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:58 am

No picture. But because it had an intake grill in the front and my gut feeling I doubt highly that it was an antenna.
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:34 am

I wonder if it was a infrared camera??

I know at YYZ they have a disc-like object on top of their firetrucks that allow them to see in the dark / smoky conditions??

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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:29 am

External Air conditioner?
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
External Air conditioner?

No, definitely not. It only had electrical wires connected to it. I'm quite sure it was a device to detect something in the air. I guess it's something quite new, judging by the fact that no one else has seen one, as far as I know.
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:30 pm

I don't really have any clue what it could be but...

While I was looking around for what it could be I found two police officers I most certainly never want to be around.



Hey!!! Would you mind pointing that automatic weapon some where other than your buddies head?

As for the device..

I wouldn't think it would be a radiation sniffer as those are readily available in handheld. Nor would I think it would be an airborne hazard detector since you really need lab testing of samples to accurately determine what is in the air. Perhaps some sort of antenna. Was a game on at the time?
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:50 pm

Sounds like an Antenna.Any Sketch possibility.
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:43 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Sounds like an Antenna.Any Sketch possibility.
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I don't think it was an antenna--if so, because there was a grill in front it would be directed forward. Also, the car was cruising all around the parking lot. It just struck me as odd, and remember, Hillary and Bill were either there at the time or to be returning shortly. No question it was a security device of some sort.
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 6):
Hey!!! Would you mind pointing that automatic weapon some where other than your buddies head?

Although I agree with you that a weapon should never be pointed, all Met officers are extensively trained, his finger is off the trigger, the safety catch would be on and no round would be chambered!

If it were not like this, i'm sure his duty officer would have words!
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting Spruit (Reply 9):
no round would be chambered

That's real useful!
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 10):
That's real useful!

Very OOT, and my fault for even bringing it up, but that isn't actually a problem with HK weapons. PM or new thread for details.

And now, back to the mystery roof top device... Was it upright or laying flat on the roof?
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 10):
That's real useful!

Maybe, maybe not, this is a UK police force where gun crime is not so prevelant as say the USA and I have no doubt that he could get that MP5 going in double quick time if needed.

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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 11):

And now, back to the mystery roof top device... Was it upright or laying flat on the roof?

It was flat and painted the same color as the car--silver or gold. I'd bet my bottom dollar that it was sniffing the air. It wasn't quite round, and it had a very short (2 inches) cylindrical shape with perforations on the front side. Honest to God, it was a sci-fi type moment when I said to myself: WTF is that thing. Because of the two uniformed occupants (didn't look like airport security)in the car and the fact that ALB was probably under a high level of security due to the VIP's visiting, it's almost got to be an air-snifing, high-security device. That was my immediate impression at the time and still is.
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting Spruit (Reply 12):
Maybe, maybe not, this is a UK police force where gun crime is not so prevelant as say the USA and I have no doubt that he could get that MP5 going in double quick time if needed.

A lot quicker to thumb off the safety and fire as you acquire your target and fire , than have to reach up and pull the charging handle.
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 14):
than have to reach up and pull the charging handle.

... but you don't on the HK. You can carry it pre-chaged with the cocking handle locked back and simply slap the cocking handle with your support hand as you transition to firing position. The cocking handle is under spring load and will charge the weapon once you hit it. Similar to the bolt catch on the M-16/AR type rifles.



This is a CETME. The grand father of the HKG3 and MP5. You can see the charging handle laying flat aginst the barrel rear of the front sight and forward of the light coil wire. Slightly behind the coil wire is a small depression. This is the slot the charging handle would be in if actoin were open.

It is a very fast action to bring into battery when you need to.


And now that we are super off topic....

Quoting Redcordes (Reply 13):
It was flat and painted the same color as the car--silver or gold.

If it was flat there are many things it could be.

Most likely it was an antenna for an invehicle communications and computer system. The vent was likely to be for cooling the system.

It wouldn't make sense to put an airsniffing device parallel to the roof of the car since it would be limited n the amount of air it takes in to boundry flow around the cars body.

I seriously doubt it was connected to visiting VIPs. The secret service has a habit of not wearing uniforms.

Or it could be this thing...

http://vs-electronics.en.alibaba.com.../Car_Roof_Top_Air_Conditioner.html

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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:24 am

No definitely not an air-conditioner. It was mounted lifted off the roof a bit, and I think it would still be getting plenty of air to analyze. I would say it definitely was connected to the visiting VIP's. Thes guys were not regular airport security, rent-a-cops, state troopers or local police--why were they there at that time? The unifroms were very plain with an arm patch of some sort. I believe the car was a fairly new Chevrolet Impala. Again these guys were cruising all the rows of the parking lot--they seemed to be on a mission and this cruising is probably related to the device. I feel the logical assumption at this time is that it was an air-analyzing device and not some antenna. Why can't anyone get on board with this thought--I understand some scepticism, but not to the point of excluding what appears fairly obvious.
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:01 am

I think I know what it is- an air sniffer. Wehave some here in NYC at the major train stations. It checks the air for NBC particles. They consists of a white box and a small chimney as an air intake. What you saw on the car was the air intake. The machine was properly in the trunk or in that back seat. Did the car have tinted windows? If so most likely government employees of some sort(DHS)?

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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:41 pm

Maybe it was a low-profile LED warning light.



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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:25 pm

No, it wasn't completely round and it was painted the same color as the car--it was definitely not a lens. The front was perforated with small holes. Definitely not a light. I feel sure it was a device to sample the air.
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RE: Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:29 pm

How about one of those funky surveillance microphones? The sort that detect vibrations of windows?

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Although I agree with you that a weapon should never be pointed, all Met officers are extensively trained, his finger is off the trigger, the safety catch would be on and no round would be chambered!

In addition, I think there's some parallax error there. I believe the one pointing the weapon is standing slightly closer to the camera, so the muzzle is probably pointing past his colleague's head, at the ceiling.
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