FCAFLYBOY
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Crew Rest In-flight

Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:30 pm

Hi

I was just wondering about this...
How long do crew get for rest-time inflight? Both Flight-Deck
and FA's? Say on something like LHR-NRT for example?
I work for a charter, hence we don't have rest areas, sometimes a few blocked
seats if it's a long one, though we will on the 787s  Big grin

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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:09 pm

Hey FCA.

At BA minimum times of in-flight bunk rest are required on duty periods over 13:01 (so thats on flights over around 10:45 duration with a 1:30 report time and 0:45 'clear' time).

On flights of 10:45 - 11:45 duration minimum 2:15 and upwards.

On flights over 11:45 minimum of 3:00 upwards.

Saying that we are always sheduled the maximum amount of rest possible.

We get rest on every flight regardless of duration although this is not mandatory. So on a JFK or BOS for instance we may only get 0:50 mins or so.

We take our bunk rest in two rotations. Half the crew go after the first meal service and clear in. Then when they are back mid-flight the other half will go and return just before the second meal service.

Which rest rotation you go on depends of what position you are working. Some people choose their position at the briefing based on the cabin they want to work on, others (like me!) will put which break rotation they prefer at the top of their list (I LOVE second break)  Smile

We have bunks on all the 747's and most 777's. On the 747 the bunks are in the tail for cabin crew, and behind the flight deck on the upper deck for pilots. On the 777 the bunks are overhead at doors 3 for the cabin crew and at the rear of FIRST on the left hand side for pilots.

On aircraft with bunks not fitted (some 777's used on shorter longhaul routes and the 767) it is just 3 seats at the back of World Traveller with a curtain around it. Sad
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:14 pm

At CO, rest depends on flight time, time to complete: first service, mid-flight service and completion of duty and of course flight time.
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:16 pm

Here is a previous discussion on it for your reference - has a few good breakdowns for different airlines.

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...general_aviation/read.main/2595398

Happy Sleeping!  Smile

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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter):
On aircraft with bunks not fitted (some 777's used on shorter longhaul routes and the 767) it is just 3 seats at the back of World Traveller with a curtain around it.

I really am working for the wrong airline, lol.
I did a 14 hour LGW-CUN last week and that's more than what I got!
I'd love to try out one of those bunks!
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 4):
I did a 14 hour LGW-CUN last week and that's more than what I got!

WOW! I won't complain next time I get a 767 flight!
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Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 4):
I'd love to try out one of those bunks!

I love them, always sleep very well.

Not everyone finds them comfortable though, some say they find them a bit claustrophobic.

Quite a few crew still choose to sit in the crew rest seats for their 3 hours bunk rest than lay down!
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:41 am

This is where KL cabin crew can rest for 3 hours:


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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:03 am

The crew bunk beds on VS's aircrafts are really cosy aswell, mattress, curtain, light, duvet, sheets and pillows and if your lucky and have a nice FSM, then you get PJ's from Upper !

On the 744 the cabin crew bunks are in the tail section above the aft toilets (no smells though) On the A340 the crew bunks are in the hold by the 3 doors ! You go down a small flight of stairs.


Back to the original question, on a LHR - NRT we would get about 4 hours crew rest !

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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:35 am

Hey Virgin!

How the hell do you guys manage 4 hours on a NRT?? If you take it in two lots, that would be 8 hours....add say 15 mins for a changeover. You get the first and second services all done in about 2.5 hours (taking into account you'd want the cabin cleared bout an hour before landing)?

Can I ask you another question? On the Upper Deck when you have both Premium and Upper up there, how does it work? Does one of you do Upper and one of you do Premium Econ? Or do you both work together and do both cabins?

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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:43 am

At American, it depends on the duration of the flight, and it is contractual, negotiated between the union and the company. For flight attendants:

Less than 7 hours scheduled flying time: 15 minutes in a jumpseat or aisle seat in last row of coach

More than 7 hours but less than 8 hours: 30 minutes in a jumpseat, aisle seat last row coach, crew rest seat, or crew rest bunk

8 to 12 hours: 45 minutes in crew rest seat or bunk

12 to 14.5 hours: 2 hours in crew rest seat or bunk

Over 14.5 hours: 3 hours in crew rest seat or bunk

We're only allowed to sleep during break on flights over 8 hours. The breaks are coodinated by the Purser, and can be extended on flights over 14.5 hours at the discretion of the Purser.

We take shifts in the crew seats or bunks. On the 2-class 767-300ER, we have 4 crew rest seats by the mid galley and lavatories, which we get on flights over 8 hours. Otherwise they are sold to passengers. It's sort of a lousy location, all you hear are the lavs flushing, so ear plugs are a must. On the 777, we have 4 crew rest bunks for F/As by the 3L/3R doors in coach on the main deck. I don't know why AA didn't opt for bunks over the cabin, they could have more room for passenger seating. The pilot bunks on the 777 are directly behind the cockpit.
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:51 am

14 hours to do a LGW - CUN have they moved CUN???? That sounds a bit long to me.
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 9):
I don't know why AA didn't opt for bunks over the cabin, they could have more room for passenger seating. The pilot bunks on the 777 are directly behind the cockpit.

CO's 777 crew bunks will be above the passenger cabin at 3R. This will free up 6 coach seats and 4 BusinessFirst seats when all 18 planes (the 2 new ones we are getting already come with them) get the retrofit. Good news for all concerned.
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:07 am

I know you are talking civil, but on the P-3, we do three hour shifts and have two bunks; one for the off duty pilot and one for the off duty flight engineer. The ones I see in the civil pics are much nicer....P3 flighteng
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:28 am

I used to just curl up on the heated floors of the P3B. Pull your jacket over your head and nap away
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:17 pm

Here are some pics of the Crew Rest area on the A330

Stairs down belowdecks to FA CR area

One of the bunks in which to sleep.

And the Pilots crew rest area

At NW, we get 1hrs crew rest for any flight 8hrs duty time, but less than 13 hrs on duty. On flights that extend past 13hrs, we're alotted at least 2hrs or more. Typically from DTW-NRT with 2 break periods, we have 3hrs, 45mins plus 15 minutes to get back on the floor before break periods end. With 3 break periods, we get close to 2:25 with 15 minutes to get back on the floor before break period ends.
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:02 pm

So where are the rest bunks located? I hear above the cabin, but is there really that much space? do they replace the overhead bins or something? Sorry I don't know this stuff but well, I haven't been on that many long flights. I did hear from one of my friends that the cabin crew locked her in one one time. Apparently her meds wore off and she's deathly afraid of flying so she yelled "bomb" and stuff so she could get off the plane. They just locked her up though...
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting BAStew (Reply 1):
We have bunks on all the 747's and most 777's. On the 747 the bunks are in the tail for cabin crew, and behind the flight deck on the upper deck for pilots. On the 777 the bunks are overhead at doors 3 for the cabin crew and at the rear of FIRST on the left hand side for pilots.

Some of your 744 have a lav in the extended Door 5 crew rest.
Good thing or bad? I was one of the engineers that designed it and always appreciate the feedback.

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 6):
This is where KL cabin crew can rest

The Door 4 location is unique to this Flight Structures aftermarket product and is possibly the best 744 crewrest on the market.

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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting ATCme (Reply 15):
So where are the rest bunks located? I hear above the cabin, but is there really that much space? do they replace the overhead bins or something?

Have you not read any of the Forum ? The whole forum explains various locations . . .
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:37 pm

Quoting KingAirMan (Reply 17):
The whole forum explains various locations . . .

Ok, I'm sorry I asked a perfectly valid question, I should have asked for more specific info. Yes, they are located at "blank" but I was asking for clarification because I don't know some of these things, as I said:

Quoting ATCme (Reply 15):
I haven't been on that many long flights

Thanks for any OTHER responses,
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:46 pm

Quoting ATCme (Reply 18):
Ok, I'm sorry I asked a perfectly valid question, I should have asked for more specific info. Yes, they are located at "blank" but I was asking for clarification because I don't know some of these things, as I said:

once again. . . . Read the forum . . please. .

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 11):
CO's 777 crew bunks will be above the passenger cabin at 3R



Quoting VirginCrew (Reply 7):
On the 744 the cabin crew bunks are in the tail section above the aft toilets (no smells though) On the A340 the crew bunks are in the hold by the 3 doors ! You go down a small flight of stairs.



Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 6):
Halfway the aircraft there's a small stairs going up and that's where you find this OCR.



Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 4):
On aircraft with bunks not fitted (some 777's used on shorter longhaul routes and the 767) it is just 3 seats at the back of World Traveller with a curtain around it.



Quoting BAStew (Reply 1):
We have bunks on all the 747's and most 777's. On the 747 the bunks are in the tail for cabin crew, and behind the flight deck on the upper deck for pilots. On the 777 the bunks are overhead at doors 3 for the cabin crew and at the rear of FIRST on the left hand side for pilots.
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting KingAirMan (Reply 19):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 11):
CO's 777 crew bunks will be above the passenger cabin at 3R

Quoting VirginCrew (Reply 7):
On the 744 the cabin crew bunks are in the tail section above the aft toilets (no smells though) On the A340 the crew bunks are in the hold by the 3 doors ! You go down a small flight of stairs.

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 6):
Halfway the aircraft there's a small stairs going up and that's where you find this OCR.

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 4):
On aircraft with bunks not fitted (some 777's used on shorter longhaul routes and the 767) it is just 3 seats at the back of World Traveller with a curtain around it.

Quoting BAStew (Reply 1):
We have bunks on all the 747's and most 777's. On the 747 the bunks are in the tail for cabin crew, and behind the flight deck on the upper deck for pilots. On the 777 the bunks are overhead at doors 3 for the cabin crew and at the rear of FIRST on the left hand side for pilots.

To expand a little:

Almost all 744 have an overhead Door 5 crewrest.
KLM has the only 744 Door 4 crewrest.
Some domestic 744 have neither.
Many have a flight crew crewrest on the upper deck, aft of the flight deck on the left.
A few have a single seat crew rest in the upper deck, just left/aft of the stairs in a location normally used as a closet.

Main older 777 have a crewrest in aft cargo compartment.
Some have a couple of main deck bunks.
In 1998 Flight Structures introduced an overhead Door 3 crewrest and later added a flight crew crewrest above Door 1.
A few years later Boeing added similar OEM options.

Some 767 have a pair of bunks located on the main deck.
Delta ordered a overhead crewrest for their 767, but do not what happen there. Cargo compartment crewrest prototypes have been built, but don't think any have been sold.

A340 and MD11 can have crewrests installed in the aft cargo compartment.

I am sure there more, but that's all that I can remember fiddling with.

Tod
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 20):
A340 and MD11 can have crewrests installed in the aft cargo compartment.

Its called an LD-MCR or...

"Lower Deck - Mobile Crew Rest"... Its a moveable pallette which can be taken off if not required. its a fairly simple procedure to remove it and only takes about 30 minutes (45 if you include the paperwork).

I removed one today as a matter of fact... due to the A343's flying shorter sectors (India & East Coast) they're being removed to save weight and increase cargo capacity...
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:41 am

Thanks for the replies!
Sounds like an interesting guessing game as to where they are for different airlines and aircraft. (Assuming you don't know where it is in the first place.) So for the overhead ones do they basically stick them in place of the overhead bins, or do they actually fit above them (is there space for that)?

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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:48 am

Quoting ATCme (Reply 22):
So for the overhead ones do they basically stick them in place of the overhead bins, or do they actually fit above them (is there space for that)?

They are in the space above the ceiling (and above the bins). If you're sitting in a widebody try to imagine the fuse sides extending up and over. The interior leaves more space than is taken up by the cabin. The ceiling is just an arbitrary partition. You'll find there is some space in the crown, especially in non-circular fuses like 747. Also note there is not necessarily standing room up there.

The AA 777s have a crew rest in the middle of the cabin. I think the sign on the door says "Not a Lavatory". This does not keep about 20 pax per flight from insistently attempting to open it.

As has also been mentioned, some airlines insert a cargo pallet with the crew rest in the underfloor cargo area (with the rest of the cargo). A hatch in the cabin floor gives access. This gives the nice option of using the space for cargo on shorter flights.
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting ATCme (Reply 22):
So for the overhead ones do they basically stick them in place of the overhead bins, or do they actually fit above them (is there space for that)?

The 747 door 5 crewrest goes in a area that typically does not have bins below. On high density configurations that have bins that go back that far, the last bin position is a "dummy bin". It looks like a bin on the bottom, but does not go up as high above the ceiling panels. The exception to this is half of the BA 744 fleet which have an expanded crewrest that has bunks extending forward above the bins.

On the 777 door 3 crewrests, there may be one dummy bin forward of the lavs or galleys at door 3 depending on the configuration. This dummy bin facilitates the crewrest floor area. The bunks extend above the bins forward and aft on the center floor area.

Tod
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 24):
The 747 door 5 crewrest goes in a area that typically does not have bins below. On high density configurations that have bins that go back that far, the last bin position is a "dummy bin". It looks like a bin on the bottom, but does not go up as high above the ceiling panels. The exception to this is half of the BA 744 fleet which have an expanded crewrest that has bunks extending forward above the bins.

Cool info. So the answer to the "does it take the space of the bins?" is "sometimes".
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:28 pm

with 1 rfo we just divide the flight time from TOC to TOD by 3 and decide who goes first, second & third. With 2 rfos it depends on what everyone wants to do; half & half or 4 periods of 3 hrs each.
 
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RE: Crew Rest In-flight

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting Tod (Reply 20):
A340 and MD11 can have crewrests installed in the aft cargo compartment.

I am sure there more, but that's all that I can remember fiddling with.

SR installed pilot bunks inside the center bins of the C class cabin (shown as the oversized bins below).


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