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How Did US Ops Solve This....

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:47 pm

I came across this photo. How did US Airways solve this problem? I assume they flew it anyway. Seems like the best way to get rid of the bee problem.


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flametech21
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:28 pm

Funny stuff!  rotfl 

I work for AA ops so I'm not sure how US actually solved it, but if this happened to one of our planes, here's what I would do:

Bees don't just randomly invade places. My guess is that there is some sort of fluid spilled on that surface that is attracting them. This could mean a leak from somewhere in the wing, so personally a would not let this bird fly.

To fix it, I would start by running the plane at a high-speed taxi for a bit to get rid of the bees. I would than take the plane into the mx hangar and inspect the tip of the wing to determine what the contaminant was and where it came from. I would then proceed to clean the surface and patch the leak, if there was one. After that I would say it was safe to fly.

However, if there wasn't anything on the surface and it was a totally random bee nest, I would try showering the wing with water or anti-ice fluid to get rid of them. I wouldn't let the plane take off with the bees on it, however. It probably wouldn't cause any harm but I wouldn't want to be the one liable if it did!
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:39 pm

80 knots tends to get rid of the peskiest bees beecause they don't like the stiff BrEEze.
 
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:32 pm

Quoting Flametech21 (Reply 1):
it was a totally random bee nest

I think it's random, I don't think there's hydraulic lines going that far out there, plus, I don't think bees are too fond of Skydrol or -5606 Big grin

I've seen bees congregate in really random places before
 
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
I don't think there's hydraulic lines going that far out there

I cant speak for Airbusses, but for B737's, they dont go that far out. Only to the final actuator for the slats.

I was thinking US flew it anyway to get rid of the bees and then brought it back to 'base' and fixed the problem before anybody got stung.
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:21 pm

Call a bee-keeper, with his net and mask and portable smoke generator and a portable bee-box.
Provide him with a maintenance ladder.
Voilà ! It's free . He'll even thank you.
Here, firebrigades can also produce this kind of service
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:23 pm

Quoting Pihero (Reply 5):
Call a bee-keeper

You beat me to it! That's exactly what I first thought and I'm sure that's what they did.
 
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:01 am

The obvious resolution of an A vs. BEE dispute.

Interestingly, I used to find dead bees lying on the ramp almost every day during the summer months, all over the country. Always wondered if Jet-A stack gas killed them.
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
Thoughts?

Nothing a can of Raid won't cure.
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
Thoughts?

Nothing a can of Raid won't cure

Call me when you try it on a swarm, i need a good laugh these days !
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 7):
The obvious resolution of an A vs. BEE dispute.

Oh, so true. I was thinking about that. Now we have a REAL A vs. BEE war going in in here! :-P

Quoting Pihero (Reply 9):
Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
Thoughts?

Nothing a can of Raid won't cure

Call me when you try it on a swarm, i need a good laugh these days !

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 9):
Call me when you try it on a swarm, i need a good laugh these days !

What's the matter? Haven't you used Wasp & Hornet spray?
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 11):
What's the matter? Haven't you used Wasp & Hornet spray?

I saw, about five years ago someone try to spray some insecticide on a swarm.
I think he is still running with thousands of angry bees close behind !
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
Nothing a can of Raid won't cure.

I'm not wanting to get into animal rights issues here BUT in some states you had better not try exterminating the honey bees or they may be "coming to take you away ha, ha"(it's from a song you know)
 
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 5):
Call a bee-keeper

Or if there is no bee-keeper availabe, take off and make a beeline to the closest location which has one!
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:35 am

And who said Tech-ops was boring ?

Quoting FredT (Reply 14):
take off and make a beeline to the closest location which has one!

Is that the reason the old BEA flights had "beeline xxx" as a call-sign ?
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:11 am

Just when you thought USAir had no one left on the BEE scale!
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:21 am

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 13):
"coming to take you away ha, ha"(it's from a song you know)

And now I have that song in my head... Bastard.  Wink
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:30 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 17):
And now I have that song in my head... Bastard.

Im so sorry I started this thread man, I didnt know this would end like this... Now you got a tune in your head that will make you go insane! Bwhahahaha!!!  Silly
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:17 pm

Lol, this has turned into about the corniest a.net thread I've seen yet. Big grin

Now to "BEE" specific, here's my thoughts:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
Nothing a can of Raid won't cure.

Do I hear you volunteering to do it?  Smile There's no way I'd go at that armed with just a can of raid and my slower than average legs. If I actually tried that I would get stung to hell and back! I think the best thing to do would be to call a bee keeper, but if one wasn't available I still think I would give them a good bath of de-icing fluid. That would have to get rid of them!
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:48 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
I assume they flew it anyway.

Can they legally fly that a/c with the nav light covered by the swarm?
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 20):
Can they legally fly that a/c with the nav light covered by the swarm?

It wouldn't be covered for long.  Wink
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:31 pm

Well, you can't criticise the media if they call this a B319 a/c  Wink
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:12 pm

"And tonight on Economy Report: Latest news from the airline bees knees..."

I wonder if there is a specific reason for the bees choosing the nav light for their yearly conference*? Warmer, hotter... could it be the fact that it is redder?

Hmmm... perhaps they were all having a bad hairday and heard rumours of honeycomb in the winglets... ?
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:57 pm



I didn't think there would be this much buzz about that photo.


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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:03 am

The reason was that you weren't aware of a bee cause, methinks.
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting Flametech21 (Reply 19):
Lol, this has turned into about the corniest a.net thread I've seen yet.

Thank you, Flame! *bows*  Silly It sure beats the stupidest thread I did in Non-av 2 weeks ago!!

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 24):
I didn't think there would be this much buzz about that photo.

I wasn't expecting any replies at all, to tell ya the truth.
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:32 am

Assuming that the aircraft had strobe lights in the same location as the position lights I'd just turn them on BEEcause I don't think they'd hang around with them flashing.

If that didn't work I'd give the Lazyonic engineers a buzz BEEcause, as everyone knows, position lights are their problem.
 
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Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:54 am



I think Airbus engineers have been watching Tech/Ops. Apparently, after reading about the clear advantages offered by bird-filled wing pods, they've decided to develop this revolutionary beelended wingtip device.


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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 28):
they've decided to develop this revolutionary beelended wingtip device.

Nah, it's no good. Just another buzzword.
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RE: How Did US Ops Solve This....

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:27 am

Come on folks, give the little guys a break -they were probably just looking for the Queen-Bee

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Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:45 am




Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 30):
they were probably just looking for the Queen-Bee

Now that's one honey of an airplane...


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