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Kssu Vs. Atlas Config For DC-10s

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:15 pm

I was talking to a DC-10 pilot from Omni the other day and he mentioned that planes from the original KSSU configuration were a lot less capable due to more primitive avionics and autopilot capabilities as compared to the later ATLAS configurations.

Can anyone add to this?
 
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RE: Kssu Vs. Atlas Config For DC-10s

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:28 pm

From a maintenance POV ATLAS & KSSU were two different airline consortium's that pooled their resources to maintain the DC10. All I can remember about the ATLAS group was AF did the CF6 overhauls.

It would be reasonable to assume all the operators within a group would have all their a/c with the same avionic fit.
 
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RE: Kssu Vs. Atlas Config For DC-10s

Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:43 am

KSSU - I believe was KLM, Swissair, Sabena, and UTA
 
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RE: Kssu Vs. Atlas Config For DC-10s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:25 am

I don't know about KSSU vs. ATLAS, but the KLM & Martinair DC-10-30's were CAT IIIc certified and the FMS systems were state of the art. Compared to the B747-200's in the fleet the DC-10 was far more sophisticated.
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RE: Kssu Vs. Atlas Config For DC-10s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:39 pm

KSSU - KLM, SAS, UTA, Swissair

ATLAS - Aitalia, Lufthansa, Iberia, Air France, Sabena

The avionics in all the KSSU a/c were top notch compared to the ATLAS a/c in my opinion
 
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RE: Kssu Vs. Atlas Config For DC-10s

Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:30 pm

NWA's DC-10 were all KSSU. They tried to get the Cat III thing going and never made it. I've spent 8-10 hours getting one to pass the tests, and on the first flight it would fail. Everytime. As far as differences? I think the part numbers are the same for all the pitch & roll computers. Maybe a different dash number. NWA also disabled the CWS and TURB modes on the A/P. Atlas did not.
 
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RE: Kssu Vs. Atlas Config For DC-10s

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:34 pm

KSSU aircraft sound like they're a lot less capable. Who'd want that?
 
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RE: Kssu Vs. Atlas Config For DC-10s

Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:43 am

ATLAS and KSSU also translated to galley standards and became the major industry specifications for galley carts, carriers, trays, etc. ATLAS has now become the majority galley standard for most airlines, though some still use KSSU while some others use their own custom specifications which are modifications of the ATLAS or KSSU standard.
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