highflyer9790
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Pilot Sick Leave

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:45 am

I once asked a question here about pilot vacation time, this time im curious as to how this works. if a pilot finds himself with the flu a few hours before departure, does he make a call to crew scheduling and then who is the sub? will it depart on time? i would think in this profession more than any other there is a big meaning for"sick" as any drowsyness/nausia would affect the pilot's well being and ability to carry out his duty?

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RE: Pilot Sick Leave

Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:02 am

A certain percentage of pilots sit "reserve" or "fly the pager" to allow for this sort of circumstance. The sick pilot will call crew scheduling, who will then call the first reserve pilot. The reserve pilot will then grab his suitcase and roll out the door. As some comanies, if you call sick too close to departure, you will end up taking a ride in the chief pilot's office to explain.
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RE: Pilot Sick Leave

Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:26 pm

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 1):
The reserve pilot will then grab his suitcase and roll out the door.

Some airlines utilize "airport reserve" where a pilot is "scheduled" to basically sit at the airport for a few hours a day in case someone calls out. This is one of the things that comes up in contract discussions as it's not something pilots enjoy. Reserve F/A's have the same type of thing as well.
 
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RE: Pilot Sick Leave

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:51 pm

Bouraq (RIP) used to have Stdby & Res... Stdby would get notice the day before for morning, or in the morning for afternoon duty. They're also on call to replace reserves should the Res get called up. Res isn't a good thing to do, 6hrs sitting at the airport and you get paid the equivalent of 1hr return flight. Duty limitations apply but to the max limit, not normal limit (14hrs + crew elect + after 3hrs res, max was IIRC 4 cycles and 6hrs + crew elect) instead of (12hrs planned, 14 max then crew elect and 6 cycles and 9hrs and crew elect). Though Ops was known to have been lost in the calculations that the crew just didn't bother except for applying normal duty and duty extensions.
This allows the crew to make very late calls on getting sick (useful for morning rosters)

Sriwijaya had Stdby, OFF and D/O but no RES... stdby is on call, OFF is scheduled day off subject to revision (and the 7 day limit and resched to keep those limits), and D/O is total day off (normally due to 7 day limits). The problem was in the end, D/O and OFF was merged and OFF revisions have to be made before end of business day the day before. This doesn't give much leeway on the timing of crew calling sick for morning rosters.

*shakes head*

But this is better than Lion Air at the moment, which is currently on "pepetual standby" for some strange reasons. The CEO's receiving a lot of letters and emails from the wives of pilots regarding this! *grin*

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RE: Pilot Sick Leave

Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:38 pm

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 1):
A certain percentage of pilots sit "reserve" or "fly the pager" to allow for this sort of circumstance. The sick pilot will call crew scheduling, who will then call the first reserve pilot. The reserve pilot will then grab his suitcase and roll out the door. As some comanies, if you call sick too close to departure, you will end up taking a ride in the chief pilot's office to explain

If you have a "habit" of calling in right before departure, then you will be in the Chief Pilot's office. However, if you are the typical pilot who hardly ever calls in sick, then you won't be seeing the Chief Pilot at all. People get sick and have to call in; it's not as if they have any real control over it.

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Thread starter):
if a pilot finds himself with the flu a few hours before departure, does he make a call to crew scheduling and then who is the sub? will it depart on time?

It's just like any other profession. If your sick, you stay at home. To be honest, it's not the pilot's worry about who will fly the trip or if it will depart on time. That's why airlines have reserve/standby pilots. Scheduling will always make things work out. I've seen scheduling swap crews to cover a late sick call and then they had more time to get a replacement.

The biggest issue is not calling in sick, but being unable to commute to your domicile. That's where airlines have the biggest problem. Some, but not all, have a realistic commuter policy, which discourages pilots from calling in sick if they can't make it to base.
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RE: Pilot Sick Leave

Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:28 pm

Our regional operation with ~100 flight crew members has a standby policy, where we try to have a number of crew for each fleet on standby each day, incase somebody calls in sick. We do not have crew on reserve (although I wish we did).

If somebody calls in sick, we usually bump crew around to minimise the delay, but there are times when sometimes the client just has to wear the delay.

The crew member on standby has 75 minutes to report to the office, with a further 60 minutes allocated for flight planning. Very rarely have I seen a crew member take the full 75+60 minutes before wheels up.

We also have crew rostered on admin (usually fleet managers, or those with other required duties) who are available to fly if required.

Sometimes I think the flexibility of working in a regional operation, and being able to discuss face-to-face the problems of the day with the crew who are getting shafted, helps to alleviate any "bad feelings" between scheduling staff and flight crew. We also try our best to make the rest of the week easier on the crew member called in from standby, particularly if it is for a nasty flight.

[Edited 2007-01-17 10:30:03]
 
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RE: Pilot Sick Leave

Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 4):
If you have a "habit" of calling in right before departure, then you will be in the Chief Pilot's office.

I used to work at a company where any sick call less than 2 hours before departure resulted in such a trip. Disciplinary action was rarely taken, but you had to be able to explain and defend your actions.
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