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Airline Pilot Question

Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:43 am

I got a quesiton about airlines that operate freight service. Do the same pilots fly the pax around also fly the freight around? Like for example if 747-200B's were used for both, would the pilots fly both pax and cargo flights? Or would they fly one or the other?

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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:44 am

I suggest you send Philsquares a PM. I think he may be able to help you out with this query
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:00 am

I'm not in any position to answer this from experience, but from my own logical sense (like that is anything to brag about), it would be difficult to manage both cargo and pax in a same time period. Of course it would depend on the airline ops, but cargo is often flown by night. And since it takes quite a long time to adjust the human body to a new biological rhythm (about 1 day and night for every hour of adjustment, same goes for jet lag), it would be quite a strain on the body to constantly shift between day and nighttime shifts.

Also, there might be other reasons like the importance of routine. Since there most likely are some difference in flying cargo and pax, it might just be safer to fly one or the other to prevent confusion.
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:38 am

Andrea,

With my airline pilots fly both because they are licensed to fly a certain aircraft....it hasn't got anything to do with the load.
MD11 pilots will fly both pax and cargo although our 11's will probably stay in cargo config for the time being.

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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:03 am

When I started flying for SAS,we flew both the pax carrying and cargo version of the DC-9.Likewise my father who flew DC-8's in the late 70's.
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:15 am

With Cathay Pacific, you fly one or the other. (Junior crews flying cargo).

Regarding NW or World etc., I have no idea.

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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:28 am

Anybody have more information?
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:04 am

At World you can fly either side. Some guys prefer to bid cargo, other like the passenger side.
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:25 am

I know that at China Airlines the crew fly the B747F and the pax version.
That goes for F/Os and Captains.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:17 am

Okay, what about NWA?

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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 6):
Anybody have more information?

I'm almost positive that PhilSquares flies both cargo and passenger ops. I'm pretty sure he's stated so much before on this board, so hopefully he won't mind me saying so (he flies 744s).

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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
Do the same pilots fly the pax around also fly the freight around?

I reckon if you're flying a combi, you don't have any choice in the matter!
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:47 am

Where's PhilSquares?

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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:00 am

thats his name.
just send him a messege.
he is very helpful
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:18 am

I think you might want to talk to slamclick, I think he used to fly for NW. By the way the fact that NW has an ANC base is probably an indication that they keep their cargo flying separate.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:16 am

At NWA, the "classic" whale drives fly both the passenger and freight side.
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:37 am

What about the 744-Freighter?

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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting ATCT (Reply 5):
With Cathay Pacific, you fly one or the other. (Junior crews flying cargo).

Not entirely correct. The crews are indeed seperate but you can join the company on the passenger side or their freight side, meaning both fleets have junior crew. They are different because the freighter crew are paid less than the passenger side.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 17):
Not entirely correct. The crews are indeed seperate but you can join the company on the passenger side or their freight side, meaning both fleets have junior crew. They are different because the freighter crew are paid less than the passenger side.

So you can choose which type you'd like to fly? I thought new FOs were placed directly into cargo flying, is that just for U.S based crews or can you fly pax as a u.s based pilot?

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 16):
What about the 744-Freighter?

Does NW even fly that?
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:21 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 18):
So you can choose which type you'd like to fly? I thought new FOs were placed directly into cargo flying, is that just for U.S based crews or can you fly pax as a u.s based pilot?

No, the cargo side and passenger side are almost run like seperate airlines when it comes to crewing. When you apply you decide whether you want to fly as a direct entry freighter FO based in one of the options available, or you can choose to join the passenger fleet as a Second Officer. It does get complicated and there are opportunities to move back and forth between freighters and passengers with a corresponding salary change, but when you first join the airline you essentially choose which company to join.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:37 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 19):
No, the cargo side and passenger side are almost run like seperate airlines when it comes to crewing. When you apply you decide whether you want to fly as a direct entry freighter FO based in one of the options available, or you can choose to join the passenger fleet as a Second Officer. It does get complicated and there are opportunities to move back and forth between freighters and passengers with a corresponding salary change, but when you first join the airline you essentially choose which company to join.

Direct entry f/o's at CX are contractually obligated to fly freighters on a base (outside HK) for 3 years, after which even if one chooses to fly pax you will still be employed by the basing company if you choose not to move to HK. I wouldn't quite go so far as to say it's like a separate airline as pax crew members on the -400 are often rostered for freighter flights (even second officers when the need arises).

So in answer to the first question, at CX passenger -400 pilots can and do fly the freighter -400's as well (but not regularly).
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:33 pm

Yeah....complicated! I was trying to keep it simple but of course you are right.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 18):
Does NW even fly that?

I believe they only operate 742 freighters.

But I could be wrong  Smile
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:00 am

Off topic here, but I have flown with Tito and enjoy reading his posts! Never got called by CX for the interview, but I did just get a recall letter to LX. So we'll see what happens. Too bad CX never called because that would have been interesting!
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 23):
Off topic here, but I have flown with Tito and enjoy reading his posts! Never got called by CX for the interview, but I did just get a recall letter to LX. So we'll see what happens. Too bad CX never called because that would have been interesting!

Thanks man! I sent you an email regarding that and AWAC too (settlement?)

....and just to keep it on topic, the differences in operating a freighter -400 and pax -400 are minimal and it's easy to transition from one to another.  Wink
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:38 pm

Out here.
The Checklist carried out by Freighter crews Include Command & response terms for Pax Aircraft so as to cater to this very fact of being needed to operate a Pax Aircraft too.This Includes cal outs for Fasten Seat belt signs & Arm/Disarm doors.
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RE: Airline Pilot Question

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 23):
Off topic here, but I have flown with Tito and enjoy reading his posts! Never got called by CX for the interview, but I did just get a recall letter to LX. So we'll see what happens. Too bad CX never called because that would have been interesting!

Sometimes they hang on to your details for a few years then call you. just hang in there and send them updates to your number of hours every year or so and they will eventually call you. When they do you can decide whether you still want the job or not.

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