3MilesToWRO
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Pilotless Landing

Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:24 pm

A friend asks me a very classic (but I didn't find it in Search) question: What if the pilot has just exploded and copilot lies on the floor with Amazon spear stuck inrnchest? What are the possibilities to land an aircraft? And, imagine, he demands realistic answer  Wink

My only more-less appropriate suggestion would be autoland system, but this is also not a button in the middle of dashboard labeled "To land press here", but rather another procedure. So, what are, from technical point of view, minimum requirements for aircraft and airfield systems and people for +/- safe landing?
 
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:23 pm

- Autoland equipped aircraft.
- Pax of cabin crew sitting in the cockpit.
- Working radios, both for ILS and comms.
- Person in cockpit should know how to contact someone on the radio.
- Someone on the radio talking through every step. As you say, it's a procedure and not a simple one.
- ILS equipped airport.
- Good weather would be nice. Otherwise complication level increases.

Despite what the movies tell us, this is not really a plausible scenario. A good outcome is possible but unlikely.
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:43 pm

Quoting 3MilesToWRO (Thread starter):
What if the pilot has just exploded

Exploding pilots are a big concern for your friend?!  Wow!
 
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:01 pm

Well, in case of decompression one must consider pilot's explosion  Wink

No, as a matter of fact even in vacuum nobody will explode, it's only SF-writers' imagination for more picturesque victims of space battles  Smile

Anyway, thanks for confirmation of my guesses.
 
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:13 pm

Quoting 3MilesToWRO (Thread starter):
What if the pilot has just exploded

How does the Pilot explode.
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:11 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4):
Quoting 3MilesToWRO (Thread starter):
What if the pilot has just exploded

How does the Pilot explode.

This can happen if the flight attendant overinflates.
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:28 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 5):

 rotfl 
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:41 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 5):
This can happen if the flight attendant overinflates.

I thought your name had to be "Otto Pylit"  duck 
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:33 am

Well, if a non-pilot passenger who is incompetent when it comes to airplanes had to land it (ie no pilots, no deadheads or on board pilots or FAs) ATC usually does a good job talking them down for the most part
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:35 am

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 8):
Well, if a non-pilot passenger who is incompetent when it comes to airplanes had to land it (ie no pilots, no deadheads or on board pilots or FAs) ATC usually does a good job talking them down for the most part

Ok. But do you have a concrete example?
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:57 am

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 8):
ATC usually does a good job talking them down for the most part



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 9):

Ok. But do you have a concrete example?

Actaully, many of the flights I've been on in the past few years have had pilots explode. I was the only one onboard who stood up to the challenge of landing the plane. I've now landed most Boeings and an airbus A320 thanks to the fact that ATC usually does a good job talking me down for the most part.

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RE: Pilotless Landing

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:56 pm

I have to say my Flight Deck sometimes get pissed off when I take their BP and ask subtle, but telling questions about their mental health as part of our Pre-flight briefing, but they understand that I'm just a concerned Back End of the plane type......The fact however that I carry in my Flight Bag a complete and current copy of the a/c specific systems manual, as well as the QRH and a back up hand held radio.............. with accompanying charts........


Well,....... I'm sure makes them feel warm and fuzzy all over.


....................Just in case.......  Wink
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RE: Pilotless Landing

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 8):
Well, if a non-pilot passenger who is incompetent when it comes to airplanes had to land it (ie no pilots, no deadheads or on board pilots or FAs) ATC usually does a good job talking them down for the most part

Has that ever happened before, or is it just in the movies.

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