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Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:18 pm

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_(TV_series)

After all these years I still think Thunderbird 2 is a great design . If money was no object, using modern materials and now-how could this beauty get off the ground?
Keeping to the original design as much as possible how much change would it need?

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A 45 year old who has never grown up!

P.S Any other old TV/Film/comic etc aircraft of old that you think really could fly?

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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:41 pm

That fuse probably produces a lot of lift. So it would probably fly. But I bet top speed would be low because of drag.

Those long intake ducts look like they would waste energy.
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:06 am

I loved the Fire Flash airliner seen in a few episodes - with the cockpit set into the base of the fin  Smile
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
That fuse probably produces a lot of lift. So it would probably fly. But I bet top speed would be low because of drag.

Sometimes it "flew" without the pod (e.g. after TB4 launch into the sea). So fuselage lift becomes horrible fuselage drag. I don't think they ever showed TB4 being recovered, maybe they had to call International Rescue...  confused 

What was the tailplane all about? I think it may have been part of the propulsion system but it was never explained AFAIK. Even at my tender age it was clear to me TB2 could not be supersonic. Great design idea though. Reminded me, in concept, of the S-64 Skycrane helicopter.

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Wasn't there a fixed wing transport prototype with a similar cargo pod too?

From the wikipedia article, linked above in the OP, about special effects:

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Meddings' solution was to construct a belt of canvas, stretched over rollers and driven by an electric motor. The miniature elevator cars were then fixed in position by fine wires on this "rolling road". The Fireflash model was suspended from wires above the elevator cars and it could be lowered onto the runway, creating a smooth and remarkably convincing descent effect. A similar roller system, painted with a sky background was built at right angles to the runway, and both roller motors were synchronised to provide a matching speed for both elements.

Sound familiar?
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 3):
I don't think they ever showed TB4 being recovered

They must have left a few dozen pods floating around the oceans, too.

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 3):
Even at my tender age it was clear to me TB2 could not be supersonic.

And I noticed that, though TB1 clearly was much faster, TB2 always arrived about two minutes later, no matter how far they'd flown.

Quoting DHHornet (Thread starter):
A 45 year old who has never grown up!

Ditto (give ot take a couple of years), and Thunderbirds is largely responsible. I still watch the DVDs from time to time. CGI does a great job these days but Gerry Anderson's crew produced such fantastic models.  biggrin 
 
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:04 am

5000mph!

Thunderbird 1 was better, it flew at a mighty 15,000mph! There are more important questions to ask about Thunderbird 1 than Thunderbird 2. For example, what is it for?! It flew very fast, then they got the desk out, then they waited for Thunderbird 2 to come and sort the job out. Also, how did they even get the desk out, it was massive!
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
5000mph!

Thunderbird 1 was better, it flew at a mighty 15,000mph!

Why didn't they just consolidate the two designs? Like this...

http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/switchblade.shtml
 
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:22 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
5000mph!

Yet it taxied at walking pace for what seemed like ages, passing all the folding palm trees to the launch ramp. Gerry Andersen had a great sense of the dramatic. Must have had, to create a puppet show we're all still talking about.

Quoting David L (Reply 6):
Why didn't they just consolidate the two designs? Like this...

Or like this:

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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:10 pm

Big fan of thunderbird 2 myself, lovely ship.

A few refinements and It would work without a doubt !
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 7):
Or like this

Try flying that back to Tracy Island after a mission.  Smile
 
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting DH106 (Reply 2):
I loved the Fire Flash airliner seen in a few episodes - with the cockpit set into the base of the fin

Yes she was very nice!

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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:24 am

Pfssh! You nerds  Yeah sure

Now THIS would have some ramp appeal:



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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 11):

Now THIS would have some ramp appeal:

Yeah. Instead of gates you would have racks to hang them on.
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:57 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 12):
Yeah. Instead of gates you would have racks to hang them on.

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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:20 pm

We'd be waiting a long time for nuclear reactors in planes.. It'd be quite heavy! Just imagine a crash with one of these..

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 3):
What was the tailplane all about?

I have some books.. It is part of the propulsion.

Quote:
Four tailplane-mounted turbo-jets provide power at cruising speed (2000 mh)

"The complete book of Thunderbirds" - Chris Bently published 2000

Quoting David L (Reply 4):
They must have left a few dozen pods floating around the oceans, too.

They do show the pilot of TB4 - Usually Gordon in the cockpit after missions.. And it's always "full" flying home. Brains must have thought of some ingenious way of getting it back up.. magnets?
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
And it's always "full" flying home.

True.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
I have some books

Such as? Not for me, you understand but... er... for a friend.  angel 
 
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:57 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
We'd be waiting a long time for nuclear reactors in planes.. It'd be quite heavy! Just imagine a crash with one of these..

Nuclear reactors have already flown in aircraft  Smile
 
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:44 am

Always felt a bit sorry for the poor sod posted to TB5 - being in orbit seemed pretty lonely and isolated, never seemed to get "shore leave".
 
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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:12 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 15):



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
"The complete book of Thunderbirds" - Chris Bently published 2000

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Book-...UTF8&s=books&qid=1182059932&sr=1-4

Hope that helps. No picture, but it is the same as mine, just revised and hardback.

Quoting Moo (Reply 16):
Nuclear reactors have already flown in aircraft

Used as the primary propulsion?

More info:

TB2 can fly to 100,000ft, although this is false asit flies into space for an episode or two

Engines: 2 variable-cycle gas turbine engines operating as turbofans at low speed and supersonic combustion ram jets at high speed

12 variable-cycle turbo-ram cruise/trim jets in tailplane

4 VTO turbofan jets in main body
4 VTO take off chemical rockets in landing legs

Info from another book - Thunderbirds FAB cross sections - Graham Bleathman

http://www.amazon.com/Thunderbirds-F...UTF8&s=books&qid=1182060660&sr=1-1

Quoting RC135U (Reply 17):
Always felt a bit sorry for the poor sod posted to TB5 - being in orbit seemed pretty lonely and isolated, never seemed to get "shore leave".

lol and when he did, something went wrong up there

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RE: Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?

Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:52 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 18):
Hope that helps.

Thanks. I'll take a look let that person know about them.  innocent 

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