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HAWK21M
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Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:21 am

How high can a Licenced Personnell rise in his carrier in Maintenance.Is there any added qualification that can help the rise.Also at what position would one have to stop working on the Aircraft  Sad
I know its different at different places.I'd like to hear how its out there.
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:34 am

I started as a mechanic helper at PanAm. I'm now a Line Maintenance Manager (20 years later) at my current carrier.

In the intervening time I earned a Bachelor's Degree and am working towards an MBA. I've received training and held various qualifications on the B727, B747, B757, B767, DC8, A300, MD11, L-1011, DC9/MD8X.

I stopped working on aircraft when I was promoted to supervisor (union shop).

At most US airlines, the Director of Maintenance must hold an A&P certificate.
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:43 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
How high can a Licenced Personnell rise in his carrier in Maintenance.Is there any added qualification that can help the rise.Also at what position would one have to stop working on the Aircraft
I know its different at different places.I'd like to hear how its out there.
Thanks.
regds
MEL

Hey MEL..here in The States if you work for a unionized operation working on aircraft stops the minute you take a supervisory job,I tried it about six years ago,the mone was good but I missed working on aircraft and returned to the line,maybe I'll try it again when I'm older and the winters are colder  Smile...even when I worked for a non-union outfit our manager spent more time shuffling papers than turning a wrench. Over here one can go work as an instructor,mx controller,supervisor,D.O.M. I guess we set our own limitations,I'm a believer in putting in for any extra training or qualifications that are offered,it helps make you competitive for another position and just gives additional job satisfaction.
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:52 pm

A couple past VP's at UA started in a mechanic, or lower classification. It's been done in the past!
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:13 pm

I went from maintenance engineer to QA Inspector Engines at that point I stopped working on planes....Then I left the company/

Seriously the president at the last company stated as a maintance engineer

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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting Sfomb67 (Reply 3):
A couple past VP's at UA started in a mechanic, or lower classification. It's been done in the past

The best guys to work for are the "through the ranks" guys not the guys that hire right into a sup. spot.
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:00 pm

Even though Im not working for an airline, things are much the same here as well, most of the senior maintenance management staff are ex-tech, and there is a few scattered thru the higher ranks as well.

Quoting Charlienorth (Reply 5):
The best guys to work for are the "through the ranks" guys not the guys that hire right into a sup. spot.

I'll agree with that, but only to a point, there is always exceptions to the rule!

[Edited 2007-08-02 10:02:47]
 
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:01 pm

Quoting Charlienorth (Reply 5):
The best guys to work for are the "through the ranks" guys not the guys that hire right into a sup. spot.

Looks like thats very common Worldwide.
Practical experience counts.

Out here Since I started out as Aircraft Technician in 1996,rose to Sr Aircraft Tech,Trainee AME,Asst AME,AME,Sr AME,Station EM & now Maint Mgr.But I still work on the Aircraft only I now have a few more people below & a few less above.
Since I'm at an outstation,the paperwork is much less & for Major checks we keep moving to & fro as necessary.I Enjoy working on the Aircraft rather than signing & moving Paperwork & passing Instructions.But for my own Satisfaction I spend most time near the Aircraft.

I was thinking about doing an Aviation Management Degree,hoping that will help me in my carrier rise further.

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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:31 pm

I'm working as a shift leader in line maintenance and occasionally supervise an A-check.
I found out though that from a certain level you'll have to become an @rsehole, enforcing stupid and unpopular descisions made by the bean counters above, which you would never support yourself.

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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:21 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 8):
found out though that from a certain level you'll have to become an @rsehole, enforcing stupid and unpopular descisions made by the bean counters above, which you would never support yourself.

Would that be termed Mgmt  Smile
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:36 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
I was thinking about doing an Aviation Management Degree,hoping that will help me in my carrier rise further

Been thinking the same ERAU has some good online programs.

Quoting Legs (Reply 6):
I'll agree with that, but only to a point, there is always exceptions to the rule!

Yep the foreman that knows all the tricks mechanics pull because they used to do the same things!!

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 8):
I found out though that from a certain level you'll have to become an @rsehole

True....one thing that happens once you move to a mgmt position is your relationship with co-workers does change.
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9):

In the US mgmt is usually any position above a Lead Mechanic or Lead Inspector. The tell tail is what they wear. Leads wear a mechanic uniform while Manager/Supervisor/Foreman and up wear street clothes of the biz world. Most larger airlines also have a good sized cadre of paperpusher types that may have a bunch of exAMTs. They are not considered mgmt because they don't have any personnel to manage. Their responsiblities might include tech pubs, maint control and planning. A lot of these positions are good stepping stones to mgmt.

As others have stated, get a degree. Most companies expect their managers to have at least a B.S. Next is very important, make a name for your self. In my travels I have rarely seen someone make manager that was of the, 'I come in everyday, just do what is asked and go home' type. The guys that get promoted are known, sometimes they get known for a big screwup, but later use that notoriety to move up. Most times though they are the 'goto guy'. They step up when they are needed. They are the type that know how to get a job done by finding solutions to obstactales.
 
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:03 pm

At CO the minimum for MX supervisor is an A&P license and a B.A. in B.S. Brown nosing skills are a plus! Big grin
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:29 pm

I think I picked the wrong area of the aviation feild. (kicks self) Maybe I should have decided to turn fix em instead of break em for a living.
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:53 pm

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 11):
As others have stated, get a degree.

This is difficult over here, at least if you need to keep on working full time to make the ends meet. I've been looking for a university to do a remote course, but in Germany practically all universities only offer full time on campus courses. Also, the BA or BS is virtually unknown over here. You'll need to do at least a masteral.

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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 14):
at least if you need to keep on working full time to make the ends meet

Exactly what I was thinking.With me currently doing 5 nights/week.I don't mind putting in the extra effort needed.
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 14):
This is difficult over here, at least if you need to keep on working full time to make the ends meet

That is exactly why I got my BS with my AMT trainning. Have you looked into ERAU for online coursework? They have been catering to students from around the world for close to 50 years. They have closed many of the overseas centers do to US military base closeures, but to replace it they have expanded the online content.
 
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RE: Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier

Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 16):
Have you looked into ERAU for online coursework

Will check them out.
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