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Flight Crew Question

Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:40 am

What happens when one of the pilots gets sick or can't fly for any reason on a layover anywhere far away from their home country. Ex: For any European Airlines' pilot getting sick during a layover in USA . Thank you.
 
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:07 am

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RE: Flight Crew Question

Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:58 am

As a newhire F/O I'm very familiar with being standby.

We have two types of standby. The first is home duty. This one is the better of the two. Basically when we're on standby we have 90 minutes to report to the airport if scheduling calls. If we fly, great. If we don't, we still get paid and can go about our day so long as we can call back within 10 minutes and be at the airport within 90,

The other type, is airport standby. This is where we sit in the airport and wait for something to come up. In the event of this, we go fly the plane. If we don't, it was an exciting 10 hours in the crew lounge and concourse.

Don't have a pilot available in that base? You might have a delay while they get one there.
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:51 am

Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 2):
we sit in the airport and wait for something to come up

What airline does that?

When you arrive on the company premises for any company assigned duty (doesn't even have to involve flying so long as a flight is assigned afterwards) your duty time as defined in Part 121 subparts P, Q, R and S begins. The legality clock is running and you may not ever, for any reason overfly a duty limitation like you can a flight time limitation.
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:45 pm

I had a situation on my latest EWR-flight some 2 weeks back.We always fly with a 3-man cockpit crew: A Captain,a Co-pilot and a Relief Pilot. During the flight from CPH,my Relief Pilot became queasy but told me he was still fit to continue.Later in the flight,he had to go to the lavatory and throw up.Arriving at the lay-over hotel,we would wait until the morning to see how he felt.If he was still sick,the Co-pilot and I would have to operate the flight as a 2-man crew with no rest periods.This is O.K. as long as the flight is less than 8.5 hrs.Eastbound,it usually is. Now,if the flight had been a 2-man crew flight from the outset and my Co-pilot or I became sick,you've got a problem! We normally have 2 crews laying over at EWR,one from CPH and one from ARN.Some days of the week,we have a second flight from CPH,as well.Crew scheduling would probably look into the possibility of taking a crew member from the latest or earliest departing flight and delay that flight,transferring it's passengers to the remaining flights to the extent possible.A home stand-by pilot would be called out,deadhead from Scandinavia,have the shortest possible rest period and then fly the delayed flight back home.
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:58 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
What airline does that?

A lot of them, EZY and FR in the UK, amongst others. When an airline has a big base and has the first wave of flights going at around 6/7am (approx 19 flights) then they will usually have at least 1 full crew on standby at the airport just incase of problems. This only works for shorter sectors, obviously, as your Flight Duty Period starts when you report at the airport as you said  Smile
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:40 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
What airline does that?

Air Canada also does this for the EMJ and A320 series aircraft.

And yes, your duty day starts when you arrive at Pilot Briefing, and you check into the computer. Also, for credit, minimum guarantee applies ... 4:25 per duty period, 50% of duty time, or actual flying time, whichever is greater.
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:29 pm

Actually when I asked:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
What airline does that?

...it was addressed to Pilotpip because he flies the US flag.
My question is entirely rooted in the US FARs.
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 7):
My question is entirely rooted in the US FARs.

Would they not be similar to CARs, (Canadian Air Regs), in that the clock starts ticking as soon as you arrive at the airport, regardless whether you flew or not?
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 8):
Would they not be similar to CARs, (Canadian Air Regs), in that the clock starts ticking as soon as you arrive at the airport, regardless whether you flew or not?

Yes. To the best of my knowledge.

I had a friend that took an overnight charter under Part 135 (similar flight/duty rules) When the got to the destination his customer gave him $100 for his expenses there and left him. In that time and place he could have had dinner, hotel room and breakfast and cab fare for about $40-50 but he wanted to pocket it all. He slept in the pilot lounge. In the morning he told someone that he had done so. The guy asked a couple of questions; "where'd you come in from? Where you going next?"

Next thing my friend knows he gets a registered letter from the FAA. They violated him, asserting that being at the airport all night, he was "on duty" and his return flight the next morning was in violation of 135.xxx He was fined $1000 in lieu of a 30 day license suspension.

I've also seen problems arise with mandatory training or meetings interfering with crew duty cycles.
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:00 am

We're on duty. I've yet to sit airport reserve but friends that are scheduled for it rarely actually make it into the crew lounge before the phone rings and they're on a trip. I think it's something we're trying to get removed from our next contract along with getting some sort of commuter clause.

As for what airline, I work for one based in STL that flies 145s. I should be on IOE in the next week or so, just finished LOFT.
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 10):
I work for one

Congratulations. You will like it a lot better very soon.

They must have the crew staffing pretty well figured out to be able to risk it like that. Worst thing that could happen to crew schedulers would be to make all their spare pilots illegal due to being out of duty time - and they never flew!
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:49 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
What airline does that?

Several regional airlines have airport reserve. At mine, it even goes somewhat senior.

Our contract states that crew scheduling is to use an airport reserve when no home reserve is available, or the flight's scheduled departure time does not allow crew scheduling to give a home reserve the requred callout time. Crew scheduling is also to make every effort to have an airport reserve home every night. Only if nobody else is available may crew scheduling put an airport reserve on an overnight. People bid airport reserve because they can be home almost every night, even though they aren't senior enough to hold lines with day trips. Really not such a bad gig if you like sleeping, reading, watching television, drinking free coffee, messing around on your laptop, and chatting with other pilots in the crew room.
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:00 pm

It's pretty easy to fly 6 or 7 legs in 10 hours. Even if we sit at the airport for a few hours we can still be used.

That being said, I have a feeling I'll enjoy home reserve more. However we're so short-staffed right now that new hires are only on reserve for a month or two before they can hold a line.
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RE: Flight Crew Question

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:23 pm

Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 13):
It's pretty easy to fly 6 or 7 legs in 10 hours. Even if we sit at the airport for a few hours we can still be used.

Can you be used outside of that 10 hours? At my airline, your trip must start during the airport reserve period, but does not have to finish during it. The duty day can be stretched to a scheduled 14 hour contractual limit.
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