nema
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'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:30 pm

It is only from being a member here on a.net that i hear regular referrals to the different seating on airlines as 'J' class and 'F' class etc. Until now ive always known it as Coach, First, Premium Economy and Business Class for example.

Can we please clear up what all of the classes are with the prefixes and what the letters really stand for ie: the 'J' in 'J' class.

Are there also letters to cover premium class, upper class, premier economy etc?

Thanks in advance of your views and replies.
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:41 pm

They are based on the codes used by the airlines to classify different fare levels. All the airlines have some variation in the fare class naming structure, but here's a basic layout:

F=first class
C=business class
J=business class
Y=full fare economy class
A,B,M,X,T etc=economy class
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:10 pm

Every airline has different fare bases for each class of service, and while a few of them seem to be the same across the board (F for First Class and Y for full-fare Economy), they do vary a great deal.

Here in airliners.net, I usually see "F" standing for First Class, "C" and "J" for Business Class, and "Y" for Economy Class. The new one we will likely be seeing is "R", which used to be BA's fare basis for Concorde and is now SQ's for "Singapore Suites Class" on the A380 (which replaces First Class on that airplane).
 
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
A,B,M,X,T etc=economy class

AFAIK AA, and I believe other US carriers, use "X" as the fare class for award travel regardless of cabin.

Quoting NEMA (Thread starter):
Coach

This is a North American designation. In the rest of the world it is known as "Economy".
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:30 am

On oneworld carriers -

R = Supersonic Class (to 2003)
F = First
A = First (Around the world First Class tickets)
J = Business
D = Business (Around the world Business Class tickets)
I = Discounted Business
W = Premium Economy (BA)
Y = Economy
L = Economy (Around the world Economy Class tickets)

Many of the other letters are variations of discounts on Economy Class fares. No idea why particular letters were chosen for particuar fare classes though!
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:45 pm

Here is what I've found on DL so far:

A First
B Coach
F Coach
FY NRSA Standby, Seat Request
H Coach
J Business
K Coach, cheapest
L Coach
M Coach
N Coach
Q Coach
R First
T Coach, fully upgradeable
U Coach
V First
Y Coach, fully upgradeable or NRSA Standby, Seat Request

(NRSA - Non-Revenue Space Available)
 
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:21 pm

This is what VS say about it.

http://www.v-flyer.com/codes.asp

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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:11 am

UA Fare Codes
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UA Paid Fare Classes - F P A C D Z Y B E M U H Q V W S T K L
UA Award Fare Classes - R O N X I

F, P, A, R and N are First Class
C, D, Z, O, and X are Business Class
All others are Economy Class
Codes are arranged in order of precedence


AS Fare Codes
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F U A Y S B M H Q L V K G T W

F is unrestricted First Class. U a subset of First Class, reserved for capacity-controlled upgrades. A is another subset of First Class, reserved for capacity-controlled First Class Saver awards. All others are Economy Class fare bases.
 
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
The new one we will likely be seeing is "R", which used to be BA's fare basis for Concorde and is now SQ's for "Singapore Suites Class" on the A380 (which replaces First Class on that airplane).

CO also uses it on BusinessFirst
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
The new one we will likely be seeing is "R", which used to be BA's fare basis for Concorde and is now SQ's for "Singapore Suites Class" on the A380 (which replaces First Class on that airplane).

"R" for "Raffles" class, perhaps?  eyebrow 
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:53 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
"R" for "Raffles" class, perhaps?  eyebrow 

Raffles used to be what they called Business Class, but now that they call it Business Class, that might not be a bad idea. Sounds better then "Singapore Suites Class".  vomit 
 
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:49 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
"R" for "Raffles" class, perhaps?

R stands for Suites on SQ

I don't know, but I think we have gone a little off topic here

The main thing is-
R - Supersonic/Suite Class
F - First Class
C/J - Business Class
Y, Y+ - Economy/Coach , Premium economy

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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
This is a North American designation. In the rest of the world it is known as "Economy".

Well, I would say coach is mainly a USA thing, not North American. In Canada, most people refer to it as "Economy" as well.


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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 12):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
This is a North American designation. In the rest of the world it is known as "Economy".

Well, I would say coach is mainly a USA thing, not North American. In Canada, most people refer to it as "Economy" as well.

You beat me to it. I was going to say the same thing. "Coach" has never been a commonly-used term in Canada.
 
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:51 pm

Air New Zealand and Air France used to use the code 'P' for First Class Premium.

NZ, of course, no longer offer any First Class - have no idea about whether AF use the P code any longer
 
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 5):
Here is what I've found on DL so far:

A First
B Coach
F Coach
FY NRSA Standby, Seat Request
H Coach
J Business
K Coach, cheapest
L Coach
M Coach
N Coach
Q Coach
R First
T Coach, fully upgradeable
U Coach
V First
Y Coach, fully upgradeable or NRSA Standby, Seat Request

(NRSA - Non-Revenue Space Available)

Here's some better info on DL:

A First (discounted)
F First (full fare)
R First (Skymiles award ticket)
T Coach, fliertalk cheap  razz 
 
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 5):
T Coach, fully upgradeable

I guess different airlines even have different rules on fare types. With Delta for example, a T fare is your typical dirt cheat vacation fare and is definatly not upgradeable. Only fares upgradeable on Delta are B, H, M, Q, and Y.
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:58 pm

Coach is such a weird term to use...

Why coach?

Does it go back to the stage coach days?

IMO, Economy is much more apt and descriptive - i.e. people travelling in an economical manner.
 
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:02 pm

Quoting Thai744 (Reply 17):
Does it go back to the stage coach days?

No. It refers to the passenger coach-the lowest fare that railroads sold.
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RE: 'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:06 am

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 18):
Quoting Thai744 (Reply 17):
Does it go back to the stage coach days?

No. It refers to the passenger coach-the lowest fare that railroads sold.

As you say, the term "coach" has traditionally been used for the lowest class of service on trains in North America (including Canada). The term of course also referred to the actual railway car containing the coach seats, e.g. you would say that a train included coaches, sleeping cars, a dining car and a lounge car. I'm sure the U.S. airline term "coach' for economy class (which has also been called tourist class in the past by certain airlines) was based on its railway origins. However, interestingly, "coach" has never been used as an airline term in Canada where economy class has been the usual term.

Re stagecoaches, that was probably the origin of the word in its North American railway context. Long-distance buses are of course also commonly called "coaches" or "motorcoaches", especially by the bus industry in North America as they think it sounds more upscale than "bus".

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