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Insect Menance In Flight.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:50 am

What do Flight crews do about about Insect menance in the Flight deck in Flight.
Especially with mosquitoes.
I know most will point out the Spraying of Insect repellant prior to doors closing as a solution.But that does not always work especially for freight aircraft,as some Inscets can get on board especially on freighters & from places like BLR.

Can using a heat source electrically to heat a mosquito repellant be considered.

Any opinions.

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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:12 pm

Not an answer to your question, but I know of one case of a flight crew that started their T/O roll, got to about 60 kts when a cicada started buzzing around the cockpit. They aborted the takeoff, and in the words of the crew "screamed like little girls".
 
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:15 pm



Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 1):
when a cicada started buzzing around the cockpit

Those things have to be one of the scariest damn insects out there  Smile



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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:19 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
What do Flight crews do about about Insect menance in the Flight deck in Flight.

Certain a.net members keep a machete under their seat for just such an event.

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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:50 pm

The same question apllies to what happens if their are snakes on a plane? Big grin
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:32 pm

Forget the bugs on the inside of the plane. How about those damn June Bugs in Florida at low altitude during certain times of year. Talk about a menace in flight. Last summer was terrible. Landing in Tampa once in particular.
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:41 pm

If those june bugs find their way into the APU inlet, they cook and leave a very pleasant and memorable smell when you run the packs. Mmmmmmm.......
 
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:19 pm

I don't know if it was on this site but I remember someone telling a story about flying in the tropics and a huge, evil looking bug found its way next to the pilot so he climbed to a higher altitude to starve it of oxygen and then killed it.
 
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:47 pm



Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 7):
I don't know if it was on this site but I remember someone telling a story about flying in the tropics and a huge, evil looking bug found its way next to the pilot so he climbed to a higher altitude to starve it of oxygen and then killed it.

That's the thread I had in mind:


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Only problem I ever had with insects: Took off out of a jungle clearing "down south" and just about the time I cleared the treetops, a wasp the size of a mouse crawled up on the glareshield right in front of my face. Did not want to land again and really did not want to get stung. For all I know a tropical wasp that size could knock you unconscious.

I kept climbing. I had the back windows out of the airplane and I climbed up to where it started getting cold. Pretty soon the wasp stopped crawling around and kind of hunkered in the sunshine. I got the machete out from under my seat (What? You don't fly with a machete under the seat?) and whacked him good with the flat of the blade. Then scooped him up carefully and put him out the window.

Sure didn't want to piss him off.

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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:14 am



Quoting A320ajm (Reply 4):
The same question apllies to what happens if their are snakes on a plane?

Or scorpions on a plane.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/.../09/ap/strange/mainD8MI050G1.shtml

Or mice on this AA 767-200 (July 2006):


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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:38 am



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3):
Certain a.net members keep a machete under their seat for just such an event.

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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:02 am



Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 1):
Not an answer to your question, but I know of one case of a flight crew that started their T/O roll, got to about 60 kts when a cicada started buzzing around the cockpit. They aborted the takeoff

Out here that would be considered an Incident.Amazing to read the Report  Smile

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 7):
I don't know if it was on this site but I remember someone telling a story about flying in the tropics and a huge, evil looking bug found its way next to the pilot so he climbed to a higher altitude to starve it of oxygen and then killed it

I presume it was an Unpressurised Aircraft.On a commercial Airliner it would be tough.

How about modifying the Flight deck to hold an Electrically operated liquid mosquito repellant.What are the chances of the Regulatory Authorities permitting this.

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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:59 am



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
How about modifying the Flight deck to hold an Electrically operated liquid mosquito repellant.What are the chances of the Regulatory Authorities permitting this

Is it really that bad of a problem? I'd imagine a small amount of over the counter bugspray would take care of the problem rather than having to spend thousands on an official system.
 
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:01 am



Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 12):
Is it really that bad of a problem

It is on a B752PCF having one door & the Aircraft departing from BLR  Smile
On Arrival at BOM,the mosquitos were plenty.
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:05 pm



Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 12):
I'd imagine a small amount of over the counter bugspray would take care of the problem rather than having to spend thousands on an official system.

It doesn't matter, really. Even if a can of over the counter bugspray were used, our regulatory friends at the FAA would ensure that the certified can would cost thousands...  Wink

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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:44 pm



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 8):
....good 'ol SlamClick

Where's captain Slam anyways? Did he do another one of his disappearing acts?  Confused  Confused  Confused

We could sure use more insight on other aviation related machete skills Big grin
 
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:38 pm

Fire extinguisher, anyone?  mischievous 
 
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:49 am



Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 6):
If those june bugs find their way into the APU inlet, they cook and leave a very pleasant and memorable smell when you run the packs. Mmmmmmm.......

God that brought back a bad flashback from this summer in ORD. Cicadas, those damm cicadas, the stupid smell lasted for a month after they all finally died.

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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:23 pm



Quoting VIflyer (Reply 17):
God that brought back a bad flashback from this summer in ORD. Cicadas, those damm cicadas, the stupid smell lasted for a month after they all finally died.

I was alright with the smell at first, thought it was odd but perhaps from something that had been on board. (like a flatulent flight crew). Then someone mentioned what it was.....all of a sudden it became disgusting to the nth degree and made me want to hurl.
 
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:32 pm

Isnt that funny how that works. The smell of cooked bus is pretty nasty. A smell I have always enjoyed for some reason is that lovely smell you get after deice and anti ice is applied. Mmmmmmm breakfast....
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:31 am



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
How about modifying the Flight deck to hold an Electrically operated liquid mosquito repellant.

In the book "Tiger Tales" a story is told about a flight crew who was hauling a load of bees when one of their containers broke open and the whole fuselage was filled with thousands of the insects. (How much would a bee flying around in the cabin of a 707 effect the CG???)

They simply turned down the cabin heat, Bees start to hibernate as the temperture gets closer to freezing.
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:34 am

Bug spray?!? Machetes?!? Deliberate Hypothermia?!? Electrocution?!??

Yikes!!

I'll overlook Birdstrikes and the occasional caninus loupous or bovine caught on the runway but the virtual slaughter and wanton disregard of such a crucial link in our planets delicate bidiversity balance is appalling.

I called the PETA and SPCA folks on you all.

They said gentle removal by Rapid depressurization is much more humane and helps the planet.
 
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:40 am



Quoting Abnormal (Reply 21):
They said gentle removal by Rapid depressurization is much more humane and helps the planet.

If you really want to help the planet, eliminate the distraction and prevent the mess that would result from driving the airplane into the ground or sea in an insect-induced panic...  Wink

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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:05 pm

Hello?......Is this the Sierra Club?...Oh good, I'd like to report...............

(Just having fun with ya. Don't take my responses to be a denigration of all the groups I mentioned. I've admired their efforts on many occasions)
 
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RE: Insect Menance In Flight.

Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:29 pm



Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
In the book "Tiger Tales" a story is told about a flight crew who was hauling a load of bees when one of their containers broke open and the whole fuselage was filled with thousands of the insects. (How much would a bee flying around in the cabin of a 707 effect the CG???)

Luckily the Container compartment was Isolated.

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