baguy
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What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:55 pm

Hi,

I don't want to sound dumb, but I guess I have to learn somehow!

I can figure that 'NonRevving' means the airline does not make a profit for this type of passenger. But what I want to know is, How do you get one, why do airlines have them etc.


Thanks,


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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:59 pm

"NonReving" is flying for free. Thus non-revenue. It's done by airline employees and a few other industry employees. There are various rules to the game, sometimes there is a small fee.
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:59 pm

Employees of the airline, or family members of employees, get to fly for free. Buddy passes can be obtained for friends sometimes, depending on the airline.
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:02 pm

Okay, I'm gonna ask a dumb question. On WN what is a "green pass" I used to fly on them all the time but I never asked what the heck it meant. I know it's a non revenue must ride pass but that's all I know.

PMK
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:17 pm

Non Revving is flying for free on an unclaimed seat on any flight or airline, usually because your one of the following...

Airline Employee, Buddy Pass Holder, Companion Pass Holder, Comitted Partner Pass Holder.

Other people non rev usually through jumpseating, FAA folks, Dispatch, and other folks.

Quoting Pmk (Reply 3):
Okay, I'm gonna ask a dumb question. On WN what is a "green pass" I used to fly on them all the time but I never asked what the heck it meant. I know it's a non revenue must ride pass but that's all I know.

Thats basically it, a non rev must ride pass, and thats all it is. Your confirmed on the flight but you didn't make the airline money.

Alex
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:54 pm



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
Non Revving is flying for free on an unclaimed seat

Not in every case. Many airlines charge a small fee to Non-Rev. Most cases its the tax due on the seat. Now most times if your flying on the company you work for it will be without charge. If you Non-Rev on another airline is when the fees are charged.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):

Thats basically it, a non rev must ride pass, and thats all it is.

Not even close.... Rarely, if ever is it a 'must ride' pass. That is a whole different situation and travel code.
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:58 pm

A very quick search on Wikipedia yields an entire article on nonreving:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonrev
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:07 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
Not even close.... Rarely, if ever is it a 'must ride' pass. That is a whole different situation and travel code.

Actually, he is right. At Southwest a Green Pass is a Non-Revenue Must Ride pass. They are (or were) given out as prizes, etc.

Radio station promotions, company sponsored contests, awards to employees for extreme acts of customer service, etc, are all reasons Green Passes were/are issued.

Occaissionally, I have seen them used for new-hire employees to get to training but they generally are not/were not used for Company Business Must Ride Travel.

If I recall correctly, the ONLY difference between these and a revenue ticket were that the limit on baggage liability was less than a revenue ticket.

But as Atrude777 said, at Southwest, they ARE considered a Non-Revenue Must Ride Pass

I think the Green Passes have been eliminated in favor of "Gold Passes." That's why I refer to them as past tense.
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:07 pm

At AS it used to be $10 one way in Y and $50 one way in F as NRSA. (Non-Revenue, Space Available)

After 9/11, I believe that every U.S. carrier went to free pass rides for airline employees. WN has been free for many, many years, IIRC.
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:32 pm

Quoting N702ML (Reply 7):
Actually, he is right

He didn't as about a Southwest Green Pass. As a whole, Non-Rev is NOT must ride..... Non-Rev is lower then low priority. As many of us know, Non-Rev is 'hope and prey' you can get on and you don't piss the Gate Agent off.

[Edited 2007-11-27 13:36:41]
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:38 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
He didn't as about a Southwest Green Pass.

Sorry...but yes...he did ask about a Green Pass.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
Quoting Pmk (Reply 3):
Okay, I'm gonna ask a dumb question. On WN what is a "green pass" I used to fly on them all the time but I never asked what the heck it meant. I know it's a non revenue must ride pass but that's all I know.

Thats basically it, a non rev must ride pass, and thats all it is. Your confirmed on the flight but you didn't make the airline money.

Alex

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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:09 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):

Not even close.... Rarely, if ever is it a 'must ride' pass. That is a whole different situation and travel code.

Well N702ML stated it but at Southwest Airlines, which he is reffering to those passes are, must ride.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):

He didn't as about a Southwest Green Pass. As a whole, Non-Rev is NOT must ride..... Non-Rev is lower then low priority. As many of us know, Non-Rev is 'hope and prey' you can get on and you don't piss the Gate Agent off.

Technically at SWA it is, non rev means it doesn't make the airline money, but in this case, SWA doesn't make money off the ticket, but they are still confirmed and must ride's

He explained it in whole to you above.

As a CSA for SWA I dealt with Must Ride Non Rev tickets a lot, and are still quite used.

Alex
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:25 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 11):
He explained it in whole to you above.

As a CSA for SWA I dealt with Must Ride Non Rev tickets a lot, and are still quite used.

This thread has nothing to do with a must ride pass. The first poster asked about what a Non-Rev ticket is. They are NOT the same...!! Non-Rev offers lower then low boarding priority and does not assure you a seat. You are pond scum...You must wait until all paying and high priority passengers have been boarded. The Southwest 'Green Pass' would be part of this group..... When all of the above have been boarded then they start calling Stand-By passengers... when they have been boarded then they will start calling Non-Rev's in the order spelled out in the company manual. Be it by date of hire or by order of listing. Now.... airlines will issue a 'Must Ride' pass if they deem an employees travel essential. The person is travel no-rev, but is treated just like a regular full fare passenger. They are issued a boarding pass at check in and board during the first boarding call. No waiting and hoping for an empty seat.

Quoting Baguy (Thread starter):
How do you get one

1.. Work for an airline
2.. Know someone that works for an airline and ask them nicely for a 'buddy pass'

Quoting Baguy (Thread starter):
why do airlines have them

It's just a benefit for working for an airline

[Edited 2007-11-27 14:33:25]
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:30 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
This thread has nothing to do with a must ride pass.

No, but until..

Quoting Pmk (Reply 3):
Okay, I'm gonna ask a dumb question. On WN what is a "green pass" I used to fly on them all the time but I never asked what the heck it meant. I know it's a non revenue must ride pass but that's all I know.

PMK

This guy asked, I mearly responded to his reply.

You really don't have to high light the procedure of how to board people as non rev, that WAS my job...

Sorry if I took it off topic, but I mearly responded to what someone else posted and answered his question, and simply reconfirmed those type of passes were still alive and being used.

Alex
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:36 pm



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):
Sorry if I took it off topic, but I mearly responded to what someone else posted and answered his question, and simply reconfirmed those type of passes were still alive and being used.

No reason to apologize, Atrude. Most of us could see why you posted what you did. So when you gonna go inflight? Haha!
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:49 pm

Q........What Exactly Is NonRevving?

A.........A Bleeding Nightmare..........sometimes......
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:52 pm



Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 15):
sometimes......

I wish it was that good.  Wink
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:05 pm

There are two basic types of non-rev travel:

NRSA: Non Revenue Space Available -- standby travel for leisure purposes for employees on their own airline as well as other carriers that have reciprocal travel privilege agreements. Fees vary, based on each airline's internal policy, from free to hundreds of dollars (ID90, ID75, etc.) each way. NRSA passenger makes a "Meal Listing" for the flight they wish to travel on, which is not a standby list but a mere expression of their desire to travel on that flight (i.e., it does not place them on the standby list until they physically check in).

NRPS: Non Revenue Positive Space -- confirmed space or "must travel" for employees on company business (including deadheading pilots and flight attendants), family emergency, etc. There may also be fees involved, such as a cargo carrier pilot deadheading on a commercial airline using an ID50 ticket (Industry Discount 50 percent--as in 50% off a pre-determined fare base, which can also cost several hundred dollars each way). NRPS passenger makes a reservation on a flight just like a revenue passenger does, but sometimes advance seat assignment requests are denied.

[Edited 2007-11-27 15:08:55]
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:07 pm

Non Revving in short is 1 part chaos theory and 3 parts prayer.

There's also a science to it (although imperfect) but that's another story.
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:30 am



Quoting 764flyer (Reply 18):
There's also a science to it (although imperfect) but that's another story.

Like over flying your Dest. in order to get to it!

I had a SEA-MFR flight cxl a night when i was meeting a friend on a buddy pass to come home from FAI. This was the last one to MFR that night. Had to wait till morning, well with all of the revenue cust. getting re-accom'd all flights were full until the same flight that night. (24hrs later) So instead I checked out the loads on alternate and had us back at sea-tac in the morning, catching a SEA-LAX flight then LAX-MFR, thus we arrived just before noon, even before some pax that were on the cxld flight the night before! Sometimes you have to be creative and patient! BTW for those unfamiliar with MFR, check it out on a sectional, or know that MFR is in southern Oregon, and so going from SEA - LAX overflew our home! Ah the pleasures of being a MM (everyone know "MM" ? )
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:38 am



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
Other people non rev usually through jumpseating, FAA folks, Dispatch, and other folks.

Jumpseating is never non-reving, and while there isn't a charge, a jumpseater is actually part of the crew.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
Thats basically it, a non rev must ride pass, and thats all it is. Your confirmed on the flight but you didn't make the airline money.

Non-rev and MUST RIDE are really at the opposite ends of the scale really. Both usually are charge free, but for a must ride...it's just that, the passenger must ride! It has top priority, and will bump reveune paying passengers...

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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:50 am



Quoting Cch362 (Reply 17):
NRPS: Non Revenue Positive Space -- confirmed space or "must travel" for employees on company business

They're not as high in priority as a straight old fashioned MUST RIDE though. But I guess they have different terms for them now days. But I've saw once in Denver where a positive space company business rider get bumped in favor of a non-rev MUST RIDE...the employee had some sort of emergency and was the first non-rev to get a pass but was on the flight regardless even if a revenue pass.had had to get bumped.(then compensated of coarse). It ended up that there were some extra seats as well....but it didn't get down to my lower level of straight non-reving and I got bumped.

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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:57 am



Quoting Cch362 (Reply 17):
NRPS passenger makes a reservation on a flight just like a revenue passenger does

a NRPS makes a listing on the companies employee travel site, not a reservation. The person lists for the flight meaning there are no restrictions, i.e. staying over a Sat. night,etc.etc. that a revenue pass. must agree to. He can come and go as he pleases although you are correct, he can't make advance seat assignments...they are given at the gate at the time of departure.

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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:38 pm

I've always said that the price for non-reving is inconvenience.
Such as checking in at 4am for the first flight out, to make sure your the first one on the list for a full flight, and hope there are a couple of no-shows.
Or not making the flight home and paying the last minute walk up fare, or grabing a hotel for the night and try again in the morning.
It's a lot of fun "when it works", but can be more expensive then buying a regular advance purchase ticket if things don't work out.
Still doesn't stop me from trying  Smile
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:17 pm



Quoting Baguy (Thread starter):
What Exactly Is NonRevving?

A practice devised by airlines to reward  praise  hard-working employees for their service..which is often performed at wages far lower than they could earn elsewhere.. dealing with people under conditions we'd rather not even think about...




which makes those of us who will never have benefits like that green with envy  hissyfit  ..which is why those people sitting next to you who are flying ID or non-rev don't ever talk about it......

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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:24 pm



Quoting B6MoneyGuyJFK (Reply 23):
Such as checking in at 4am for the first flight out, to make sure your the first one on the list for a full flight, and hope there are a couple of no-shows.

The way around this is to work for an airline that uses date of hire (seniority) for it NRSA boarding order.
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:34 pm



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 25):
The way around this is to work for an airline that uses date of hire (seniority) for it NRSA boarding order.

Yes, but if I did that, and switched, then I'd be at the bottom of the list, Which would leave me no better off than where I am now. I've actually come to the airport, checked in 4 hrs ahead (our limit), gone home and napped for 2 hours, and come back to the airport.

A couple of posters have mentioned Jumpseating... I can be listed for non revenue travel, and if all the regular seats are occupied, I am allowed to sit in the jumpseat (Cabin not cockpit). So yes, it is possible to non-rev and sit in the jumpeast.
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:05 pm



Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 15):
Q........What Exactly Is NonRevving?

A.........A Bleeding Nightmare..........sometimes......



Quoting 764flyer (Reply 18):
Non Revving in short is 1 part chaos theory and 3 parts prayer.

When I worked for AA the cost of the nonrev seat was determined by sector length and cabin served. It could go as high as $400.00 for at TATL F class seat. As a CSR it was my duty to try to accomodate nonrev pax. AA had several different levels of priority for nonrev passes based on the employee pass used and for deadheads etc. Nonrev pax were only allowed on the jumpseats if they were qualified for them if they were pilots, mechanics, flight attendants and such.

Could any current AAers advise if the the D2/D3 system has been revised? IFAIK AA has domestic partner D2 cards as well as the 16 family passes converted to Buddy Passes.
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:42 pm

I have been very lucky with NRSA buddy tickets. Me and my dad went around the world on UA. Near the end we did need to go Hong Kong-Singapore-Tokyo-San Fran but it was still a very cool experience. I think it is more fun flying standby than on an guaranteed seat.




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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:46 pm

I get my fill of non-revving, commuting every week. That and we take our vacations in the 'off' months of Feb-Apr and mid Sep-Nov.

With ticket prices still decently low, we also buy tickets to forgo the headache.
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:11 pm

Nonrevving = the knowledge that the quickest way to get where you're going may involve three other flights in the opposite direction, and if you're a US employee, knowing NEVER to go to PHL, because PHL = NonRev black hole....lol
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:40 pm

Non-Revving is part of the adventure!

How am I gonna get there? Which of the 6 passes I have will I use?
How many extra stops/carrier changes will be required?

One of the best "adventures" I ever had was because I got bumped
out of LHR, and had to be "creative" in getting back to KEF.

While it's not as much fun as it used to be, and those International
passes aren't 3 dollars anymore, My motto remains: "If I have to pay,
I'm not gonna go."
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:43 pm



Quoting FI642 (Reply 31):
Which of the 6 passes I have will I use?

You forgot to add, are these passes refundable or can I extend the validity of them?
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:59 pm



Quoting TPAnx (Reply 24):
which makes those of us who will never have benefits like that green with envy hissyfit ..which is why those people sitting next to you who are flying ID or non-rev don't ever talk about it......

I know all the airlines I have gone NRSA on require you not to talk about non-reving, but they require business attire because you are a representative of the company.

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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:09 pm



Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 20):
Non-rev and MUST RIDE are really at the opposite ends of the scale really. Both usually are charge free, but for a must ride...it's just that, the passenger must ride! It has top priority, and will bump reveune paying passengers...

amazonphil

He was asking about specifically for Southwest Airlines, and we have a specific Non Rev pass that is used for Must Rides.

It is called a Green Pass, as it has been repeated above and the name of it is simply NON REV MUST RIDE.

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 20):
Jumpseating is never non-reving, and while there isn't a charge, a jumpseater is actually part of the crew.

Understood, but again, dispatch and FAA people who can jumpseat in the cockpit aren't usually CREW.


Again people seem to be confused by my statements, can we all agree anytime you fly for FREE on any said Airline your simply NON REVVING, you have NEVER made the airline money? That I believe we can agree on.

This is why at SWA we have different forms of non revs, Must Rides, Positive Space, Company Business, Deadheading, and Commuting, ALL of these are NON REV, and involve flying on the airline for FREE, hence not making money.


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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:24 pm

Since we are talking about non-reving here. I would like to know how each airline works when placing NRSA pass holders onto the standby list.

Please share it here  Smile http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3725336/


Thanks in advance !

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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:28 pm



Quoting Snn2003 (Reply 33):
I know all the airlines I have gone NRSA on require you not to talk about non-reving, but they require business attire because you are a representative of the company.

DL has since eliminated their dress code. With the exception of dressing like Kayla (sp) the infamous SW customer, wear what you like. And a pretty wise move too...it used to be awful easy to spot the non-revs in first class to hawaii as they were the only ones wearing a coat and tie.
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:38 pm

non-revving is when the pilots dont rev up the engines prior to take off.......  boggled 
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:55 pm



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 1):
"NonReving" is flying for free



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 2):
get to fly for free

No it means simple that the airline does not make any revenue off the ticket. It does not mean it is free it just means it is at or below cost. Many airlines charge fees even high ones for non-rev travel.
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:04 pm

I non-rev. What a great scam! It's one of the few left on this planet!  Smile I don't own airline stock... but if I did I would be pissed!
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:07 pm



Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 39):
I don't own airline stock... but if I did I would be pissed!

??? Not sure what this means. Trying to understand your point of view.

People who own airline stock are probably aware that there are benefits for employees of airlines including reduced rate and free travel.
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:11 pm



Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 39):
non-rev. What a great scam! It's one of the few left on this planet! I don't own airline stock... but if I did I would be pissed!

Please re-state your post. What is the scam? One of the few what left on the planet? What has non rev got to do with airline stock? What would you be pissed at? I missed the point of your entire message.
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:18 pm

Everyone's always so serious on ANet! Relax!  Smile (I'm not being serious) When you pay $50 to go JFK to MUC to enjoy Octoberfest-and buy the very cheap upgrade like I did-you sit down in your next-to-nothing seat and feel like you really got away with one! That's an awesome feeling! I'm not an airline employee-I'm on my friends plan. Over the years it's saved me thousands! Love non-revving!
 
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:23 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
Now most times if your flying on the company you work for it will be without charge

With less than 5 years at American, there is no such thing as a free ticket. You pay a service charge ranging form $20 to $700, depending on the destination and class of service. But it's still referred to as "non-rev" travel.

Additionally, AA's Buddy Pass system is anything but free. In some markets, it's cheaper to buy a ticket at the lowest published fare than to fly D3 (as a buddy) on AA.
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:28 pm



Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 42):
Everyone's always so serious on ANet!

Not so much serious, but trying to understand what you wrote. Was very ambiguous.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 42):
Relax!

We are a relaxed bunch of people. Big grin
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PanAm1971
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:32 pm



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 44):
Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 42):
Everyone's always so serious on ANet!

Not so much serious, but trying to understand what you wrote. Was very ambiguous.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 42):
Relax!

We are a relaxed bunch of people.

Roger that  Wink Cheers.
 
xtoler
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:45 pm



Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 20):
but for a must ride...it's just that, the passenger must ride! It has top priority, and will bump reveune paying passengers...

Haha LOL, not at Trans States. Kidding aside, "screw" sceduling has been known to drop the ball on scheduled deadheads rarely, but usually on those short notice deadheads. I always made sure I called ahead the night before and the next morning a few hours before just to make sure we don't get "bumped" and cause our bread and butter pax and the gate agents any more stress than they need. If I knew who I was flying with I'd also make sure they were taken care of and made sure I got everyones' codes. But, sometimes things happen and how me calling scheduling is not foolproof, but it's gotten us out of a lot of times we could have been bumped if I never made those couple of calls. Only once did we get bumped.
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Evan767
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:19 pm

What airlines allow you to travel for free in First or Business class? I know Delta does. Any others?
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
 
xtoler
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:24 pm

If you really want the "nonrev" experience, join any branch of the US military and fly space-A on AMC. Not so much fun as commercial and less flights to choose from. However, there are advantages. You can go where a lot airlines don't go. You have to pay for your food, usually a box nasty from the inflight kitchen. The way airline food (if you can get it), is not sounding so bad right now, and it's only a couple of bucks. I've been out for a while, but it used to be free to fly in theatre, but overseas there was a $20 customs fee. If you don't mind lack of windows and sharing leg room with cargo on troop seats it's not bad. Even better, if there a only a few pax, you can fully stretch out on the troop seats, and if you're cool, the loadmaster might give you a nice thick blanket.

Once I moved to DEN I had to commute a lot to RIC and STL and luckily I never had very many problems. I was pretty lucky. Unfortunately, I flew in RJ's, so when I nonrevved on mainline, I couldn't jumpseat because I wasn't door qualifed. Another quirk was because my company flies for three different airlines (AA, UA, and US) all three had different rules. AA being the hardest and most costly.

Each company has their own rules on non-revving. Also, if you are a non-airline employee, I think in cases of family emergencies (i.e. something very grave), they can get you to where you need to be. I'm not sure what the rules and regulations of that scenario would be, but I know how it works in AMC regs. Any CSR's could fill me in on that one?

Quoting 747LUVR (Reply 37):
non-revving is when the pilots dont rev up the engines prior to take off

That's awesome, dude!  rotfl 
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Transpac787
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RE: What Exactly Is NonRevving?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:31 pm



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 47):
What airlines allow you to travel for free in First or Business class? I know Delta does. Any others?

Until recently, all United Express flights were free for UA/UAX employees, no matter what cabin you sat in....even if it was First. But, this isn't saying much because it was First Class on a regional jet of all planes, haha. Anyhow, they just recently changed it so now we do, in fact, have to pay for First Class. BOOOO!!!!!!  Big grin

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