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How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:07 pm

Hey guys I'm just curious if anyone had a list or detailed list regarding requirements for hours and qualifications for different airlines. This question stems from an ad I saw for Emirates wanting pilots in North America! I can really see the demand world wide for pilots now more and more. If anyone can post one that'd be great. I'm training through a pilot sponsorship so my first job will be on what I'm told and probably with about 250 or 300 hrs. Anyone care to ad to this?!
 
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:24 pm

It took a friend of mine about 384 hours to get his private pilot certificate, that's a lot better than average. He can thank his flight instructor  Wink.

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:30 pm



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 1):
It took a friend of mine about 384 hours to get his private pilot certificate, that's a lot better than average. He can thank his flight instructor  .

384 hours? I'll be done in 45  Smile

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:31 pm

I belive it is a minimum of about 250 hours in order to get your commercial certificate so your friends estimate seems to really be lowballing it. The lowest airline hiring minimums I've seen are 400hrs TT. The number of hours required also depends on quality of the time. You need X number of hours of Multi-engine time in order to be considered. Where you do your flight training counts too. Some flight training schools have bridge programs and hiring agreements where certain airlines will hire you with lower minimums.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:31 pm



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 1):
It took a friend of mine about 384 hours to get his private pilot certificate, that's a lot better than average.

You mean 38.4?
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:51 pm



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 4):
You mean 38.4?

No, 384 hours roughly, start to finish.....pretty good if you ask me. It took me closer to 724 hours to get my PPL!

Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 2):

384 hours? I'll be done in 45


In only 45 hours, WOW that's really getting it on!

I can only imagine the cost in Sweden, heck, I can barely afford to buy avgas in the US!

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:58 pm



Quoting Boeingluvr (Thread starter):
Hey guys I'm just curious if anyone had a list or detailed list regarding requirements for hours and qualifications for different airlines. This question stems from an ad I saw for Emirates wanting pilots in North America! I can really see the demand world wide for pilots now more and more. If anyone can post one that'd be great. I'm training through a pilot sponsorship so my first job will be on what I'm told and probably with about 250 or 300 hrs. Anyone care to ad to this?!

Boeingluvr,

There's not enough information to answer your question honestly. Are you in the UK, US, or other? Are you willing to move? Are you willing to work for an "unlivable" wage at first? Do you have any conditions that might hurt/help your employment chances (DUI, or at the other end, are you related to somebody in a hiring department)?

It can be a rewarding career, but do it because you like to fly, and enjoy the process, or you might be dissapointed.

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:02 pm

I got mine under 50hrs.
 
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:03 pm

You do realize PPL is short for PRIVATE pilot's licence, right? I'm about done with mine and I will have about 50-60 hrs total. Which is on the higher time side of average. The FAA minimum hours to complete a PPL are currently 40 hours.
A commercial certificate requires 120 hrs if training under part 141 or 250 for part 61. Those numbers seem extremely high for a PPL. Your CFI is milking it.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:05 pm



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 5):
No, 384 hours roughly, start to finish.....pretty good if you ask me.

Not really good at all. With the national average around 70 hours, 5 times that is awful. I got mine in 41 hours.
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Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:06 pm

I got my PPL in 45 hours. I've clocked up about 140 hours now and so once I've finally got my ATPL written exams out the way I only need to get about another 10 hours PIC before I can start my CPL... That's a minimum of 25 hours, then the Instrument Rating is 55 Hours IIRC although some of this is in the sim but 15 hours has to be Multi Engine I think. Then when that's done I'll need to do an MCC Course and then I can apply for the airlines... It's a long and winding road! But all good fun apart from these damn exams, which are doing my head in!!

That's just for JAA regulations... and seeing as your flag says UK I guess you're British!

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:10 pm

Really folks, I don't know how you're doing it in so little time! You'd have to be in the air almost continously to get your PPL in 40 hours! If you train via 141 you can do it in as little as 35, but when do you sleep? Wouldn't you be tired after 35 straight hours of flying, and then going straight to your practical exam?

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:17 pm



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 5):
It took me closer to 724 hours to get my PPL!



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 11):
Really folks, I don't know how you're doing it in so little time! You'd have to be in the air almost continously to get your PPL in 40 hours! If you train via 141 you can do it in as little as 35, but when do you sleep? Wouldn't you be tired after 35 straight hours of flying, and then going straight to your practical exam?

No, your in the air for 40 hours. I don't understand, if it took you some 700 hours to get your license, how is that less time in the air than getting it in 50-60 hours.
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Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:19 pm

I got my CAA/JAA CPL at 120 hours (plus 15 hours sim), and will be attaining my ATPL at a shade over 145 hours (plus 45 hours sim) total; which makes 384 hours for a PPL seem ridiculous!
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:20 pm



Quoting T773ER (Reply 12):
No, your in the air for 40 hours. I don't understand, if it took you some 700 hours to get your license, how is that less time in the air than getting it in 50-60 hours.

724 hours/24 hours per day = about 30 days. It took him one month to get his license. Not 724 hours of flying time, just 724 hours from start to finish.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:22 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 14):
724 hours/24 hours per day = about 30 days. It took him one month to get his license. Not 724 hours of flying time, just 724 hours from start to finish.

I've never had anybody refer to it that way before. Typically the number of hours refers to your total flight time, not time on the ground and in the air.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:22 pm



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 13):
which makes 384 hours for a PPL seem ridiculous!

We're obviously talking different things .. I hope  Smile

I'm not sure I'd want to fly with somebody who took 7 times the average hours to get his license!

One of the worse pilots I ever knew, who was in his 60's when he first flew, took almost 200hrs ... and I thought that was bad!

I took 56hrs BTW.


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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:25 pm



Quoting T773ER (Reply 12):
I don't understand,

Neither do I but I'm guessing this 384 hours = 16 days total to get the license.
724 hours = 1 month to finish?

Right SLCPilot? It took you a month to get your private?
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Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:27 pm



Quoting T773ER (Reply 15):
I've never had anybody refer to it that way before. Typically the number of hours refers to your total flight time, not time on the ground and in the air.

I think he knows that.  Smile
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:33 pm



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 11):
Really folks, I don't know how you're doing it in so little time! You'd have to be in the air almost continously to get your PPL in 40 hours! If you train via 141 you can do it in as little as 35, but when do you sleep? Wouldn't you be tired after 35 straight hours of flying, and then going straight to your practical exam?

Hours are the things you write down in your log book. Do you write down sleeping in yours? If you do, you are doing it wrong.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:33 pm

Sorry Folks.

Yellowstone gets the prize ! I just saw the thread and that was the first thing that came into my mind. I taught my buddy to fly in 16 days, start to finish. He even got to solo a taildragger off grass on the third day!

The prize? Heck I don't know. Yellowstone, if you want an hour of free dual (airplane included) in a Cessna 180, Glastar (taildragger), or Mooney, let me know and we'll go for a flight.

To the others, I hope I didn't waste too much of your time. I did try to answer the original question.

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:36 pm

I got my ATPL in only 280 hours! Trained on PA28, BE33, PA42 and B737! 280 hours of actual aircraft and Simulator!
The PPL takes about 40 hours!

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Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:48 am

Boy! Some of y'all record data alot different than me. I have never, ever heard of someone counting the days/total hours alive in relation to obtaining a PPL. I soloed on my 7th hour and obtained my license with 46 total "flight/logged" hours. This was in 1978 and it took me a full summer to get it done due to finances, I was a junior in high school and delivered pizzas to get the money. Enjoy the time obtaining your license, you will only do it once and there is nothing better than the "first" time you do it. To put things into perspective, I paid $10/hr. wet and $5/hr. instructor.

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:46 am



Quoting 737tdi (Reply 22):
Boy! Some of y'all record data alot different than me.

I beleive it was only one of y'all  Wink

But by that time recording basis, I had 1200hrs before I got my PPL ...it took me 4 years elapsed!


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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:21 am

Seeing as the Emirates ad sparked your interest, lets take note of there minimum requirements for an F/O's position.

4000 hours Total Time, 2000 hours Multi-Crew, Multi-Engined Jet aircraft, ATPL and Type Rating prefered.

Funny how flying schools fail to mention things like this. In NZ you wont even get a look in for a Turboprop job (1900, Dash 8 etc.) without 1000-1500+ hours.
 
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:46 am

Well I doubt that any school would say that you'll get to fly an A330, A340 or B777 after 250 TT. If so, you have yourself to blame for believing in that. Now many school says that you will get a job after finished education (frozen ATPL), and that is not entirely untrue. But will you fly a jet? Unlikely.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:01 am



Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 25):
But will you fly a jet? Unlikely.

Depends on the school - my school sends recruits to BA (A320, B737), DHL (B757), easyJet (A319), Ryanair (B737) to name but a few. In fact, the majority of graduates go to jet jobs rather than turboprops.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:18 pm

60 hours for the private
120 total by the time I had my instrument
190 at multi commercial
250 at CFI
700 for the first airline job.

I've been flying for a total of 7 years.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:33 pm



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 1):
It took a friend of mine about 384 hours to get his private pilot certificate, that's a lot better than average. He can thank his flight instructor .

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:19 am

Keep in mind, minimums are inversely related to the quality of the carrier (in terms of work rules, pay, quality of life). You could get a job at 250, but the carrier may not be a great place to work (no offense to the pilots of these carriers intended). Also, you may not be ready or competent enough as a pilot to be hired.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:53 am



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 29):
Keep in mind, minimums are inversely related to the quality of the carrier

I wouldnt say that at all! As I stated earlier: I had less than 300 hours when I got hired by Lufthansa!! I attended their own flightschool, so LH knows about the quality of their own training. And I was sitting in the 737 actually flying this thing with 400 hours total experience (including all simulator missions)!
And I dont think LH has a low quality in pilot training... The opposite is true...

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:03 am



Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 24):
Funny how flying schools fail to mention things like this. In NZ you wont even get a look in for a Turboprop job (1900, Dash 8 etc.) without 1000-1500+ hours.

That is changing.

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 25):
Well I doubt that any school would say that you'll get to fly an A330, A340 or B777 after 250 TT. If so, you have yourself to blame for believing in that. Now many school says that you will get a job after finished education (frozen ATPL), and that is not entirely untrue. But will you fly a jet? Unlikely.

Very common for Asian airlines. EK cadets are F/Os with that sort of time on the equipment you listed.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:27 am



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 29):
Keep in mind, minimums are inversely related to the quality of the carrier (in terms of work rules, pay, quality of life). You could get a job at 250, but the carrier may not be a great place to work (no offense to the pilots of these carriers intended). Also, you may not be ready or competent enough as a pilot to be hired.

Disagree. My FTO has graduates who have gone to BA, BD, EI, KL, LH and SQ with fewer than 250 hours.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:04 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 31):
That is changing.

Not in New Zealand yet and not for the foreseeable future. Heck we've just had a law change which now requires pilots of Single Pilot IFR operators to have a MINIMUM of 750 hours (think Aztecs, Scenecas, Chieftains etc).

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Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:49 am



Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 33):

Not in New Zealand yet and not for the foreseeable future. Heck we've just had a law change which now requires pilots of Single Pilot IFR operators to have a MINIMUM of 750 hours (think Aztecs, Scenecas, Chieftains etc).

PacBlue had 30 out of 90 pilots resign, Jetconnect are having trouble getting drivers, so is Jetstar (NZ base), people are turning down NZ interviews, also people leaving Eagle and Air Nelson in droves.

On the GA front, Australian companies are poaching people with the offer of more $$$ as the qualifications are transportable under the TTMRA.

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:09 am



Quoting Zeke (Reply 34):
PacBlue had 30 out of 90 pilots resign, Jetconnect are having trouble getting drivers, so is Jetstar (NZ base), people are turning down NZ interviews, also people leaving Eagle and Air Nelson in droves.

Heavily involved in the NZ industry (I'm going to assume you also were/are) so I will agree with most of what you have written. Whilst Eagle and Air Nelson are indeed suffering from the highest turnover in years, they do not have any plans in the near future to change their minimum requirements (they are still able to say 'No' to 25% of the people who come up for interviews). Then there are the guys/gals out there who meet all the requirements and are yet to get a call for an interview. Jetconnect, Pac Blue and JetStar are still charging people for a Type Rating, when they stop doing that and start paying for all of the pilot training I will accept they are really getting short (as will my friends and collegues). Don't know of anyone personally who has turned down an NZ interview but I'll accept you at your word, we after all probably move in different circles. Silly I do know of a few who have turned down jobs with NZ once passing the interview process to go to the likes of CX etc instead.

Agree completely with what you said about Aussie, know several who have done just that. Only problem you have to live with Australians  Wink
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:14 pm



Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 35):
. Only problem you have to live with Australians

Not if you move to SYD.

Besides I think they find the novelty of running water, inside toilets, electricity, TV, low crime rate and the dole too much incentive to stay in OZ  duck 
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:31 pm



Quoting 737tdi (Reply 22):
To put things into perspective, I paid $10/hr. wet and $5/hr. instructor.

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Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:28 pm



Quoting 737tdi (Reply 22):
To put things into perspective, I paid $10/hr. wet and $5/hr. instructor.

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Quoting Bok269 (Reply 29):
Keep in mind, minimums are inversely related to the quality of the carrier (in terms of work rules, pay, quality of life).

I think you mean directly related (as minimums go down, quality also goes down). And, as others have said, that isn't always the case (though it is more often than not in the US).

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Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:13 pm

Seriously on the bashing head thing due prices in the mid 70's?? Please, you have to know that the value of a dollar back then is not nearly comparable to that today. Now ask him what he got paid to deliver pizza's compared to today  Smile
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Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:36 pm



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 32):

Disagree. My FTO has graduates who have gone to BA, BD, EI, KL, LH and SQ with fewer than 250 hours.



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 30):

I wouldnt say that at all! As I stated earlier: I had less than 300 hours when I got hired by Lufthansa!! I attended their own flightschool, so LH knows about the quality of their own training. And I was sitting in the 737 actually flying this thing with 400 hours total experience (including all simulator missions)!
And I dont think LH has a low quality in pilot training... The opposite is true...

And now I am flying MD11Fs! And I got upgraded with less than 2000 hours on 737... So I have 3000 hours total now

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I should have clarified-this would be true for regional carriers in the US.

Out of curiosity, is LH and LH cargo one pilot group?

Quoting Mir (Reply 38):
I think you mean directly related (as minimums go down, quality also goes down). And, as others have said, that isn't always the case (though it is more often than not in the US).

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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:49 am



Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 39):
Now ask him what he got paid to deliver pizza's compared to today

I guarantee I could not afford a PPL in this day and age if I had a job delivering pizza's at the current rate. I can barely afford it on $40,000 a year.
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Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:31 am



Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 39):
Seriously on the bashing head thing due prices in the mid 70's?? Please, you have to know that the value of a dollar back then is not nearly comparable to that today. Now ask him what he got paid to deliver pizza's compared to today

I know there's inflation. But it isn't THAT much.

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Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:53 am



Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 25):
But will you fly a jet? Unlikely.

Ryanair will throw a B737 after you if you sign their shite T&C's and come with a SSTR......!!! Tons of 250hrs graduates at the lo-cos!
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Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:22 am



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 41):

I guarantee I could not afford a PPL in this day and age if I had a job delivering pizza's at the current rate. I can barely afford it on $40,000 a year.

You're right. It is expensive, no doubt about that. I live in Norway, and know all about high prizes. Can we agree on one thing though, still worth every cent?  Smile

Quoting INNflight (Reply 43):
Ryanair will throw a B737 after you if you sign their shite T&C's and come with a SSTR......!!! Tons of 250hrs graduates at the lo-cos!

Times have changed lately, so I retract my statement. But it is less likely in the US though, right?
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:27 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 42):
I know there's inflation. But it isn't THAT much.

Depending on what indexes/inflation rates you use ... it's around $50/hr in today's money .... still cheap!


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Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:25 pm



Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 44):
Can we agree on one thing though, still worth every cent?

Absolutely!

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 45):
it's around $50/hr in today's money .... still cheap!

About a 3rd of what I pay (with instructor). Even $50/hr. would be fantastic.
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RE: How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?

Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:19 pm



Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 2):
384 hours? I'll be done in 45

My Dad got his in the minimum 40 hrs. In fact, his instructors were impressed with his skills to the point that they wanted to see if he could do it without going over 40. He got his IFR ticket while under 500hrs.

As for airlines, the minimum really depends on how desperate they are for pilots. A friend of mine (retired UA DC-10 Captain) hired on with UA when they were really desperate years ago. At the time of interview, he had all of 300 hours and NO IFR rating or multi engine rating. UA told him that if he got the IFR rating by the time the next class started, they'd hire him (and they did).
"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."

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