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Cleared To Land

Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:09 pm

When the tower clears the aircraft to land, what sort of requirements need to met first? Do airplanes that just took off from that runway have to be a certain distance away before approaching airplanes can be cleared? And, one other question...When is the latest an airplane can be cleared for landing? (about how many miles?)
 
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RE: Cleared To Land

Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:22 pm

I have seen a/c at LGW aircraft given clearance to land as soon as the previous (departing) a/c has left the runway.

There would be usually around three miles between them - approaching a/c is one mile east of the threshold and departing a/c is at the western end.
 
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RE: Cleared To Land

Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:34 pm

When I fly (just training) I often get cleared to land before another plane is off the runway, there is a special term they use for it but i cant remember, I just have to make sure that its safe for me to do it and if the other aircraft is clear then I can land.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:07 am

It has little to do with the clear condition of the runway. ATC is just saying your next to land on your given runway. I've seen other planes still on the runway when a clear to land was given. I've seen still miles out when given clear to land.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:10 am



Quoting NathanR (Thread starter):
When the tower clears the aircraft to land, what sort of requirements need to met first?

Essentially, it depends if the aircraft has traffic to follow and if we are talking about an IFR environment like ORD, ATL or LGA or a VFR environment such as TTD, ASH or VRB. At an airport like ORD, when the a/c checks in on final (usually at the marker) the tower will issue traffic and then the clearance: "United fifteen ninety seven, O'Hare Tower, traffic is a heavy triple seven over the approach lights, caution wake turbulence, wind two six zero at one two, runway two seven left, cleared to land." At an airport were the majority of traffic is VFR, such as Nashua, NH (ASH), the Local Controller (who the pilots call "Tower") will create his/her own sequence and before issuing a clearance to land, traffic to follow must be in sight. For example: "Mooney three delta whiskey, number three following a Navajo on a four mile final. Report the traffic in sight"...."Follow that traffic, number three, cleared to land."

Quoting NathanR (Thread starter):
Do airplanes that just took off from that runway have to be a certain distance away before approaching airplanes can be cleared?

Not to issue a landing clearance.

Quoting NathanR (Thread starter):
When is the latest an airplane can be cleared for landing? (about how many miles?)

The latest a landing clearance can be issued is just prior the aircraft crossing the threshold.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:34 am



Quoting P3Orion (Reply 4):
The latest a landing clearance can be issued is just prior the aircraft crossing the threshold.

If I was getting close to being over the threshhold and hand't been cleared to land, I'd probably be initiating a go-around...landing without a clearance is a big no-no. Usually means a nice chat with the FSDO...
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:36 am

Quoting P3Orion (Reply 4):
The latest a landing clearance can be issued is just prior the aircraft crossing the threshold.

I would rather say up to the minimums or IM.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:39 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
If I was getting close to being over the threshhold and hand't been cleared to land, I'd probably be initiating a go-around

Well yes, that's the absolute latest we can issue a clearence. If I was to with-hold a clearence to land (tight spacing on final) I will prep the pilot on initial contact. American eight fifty, continue, expect landing clearence on short final, due to spacing." and if the previous arrival is not off the runway by the time American is over the approach lights, American would be going around.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:41 am

I have been told on several occasions to expect a late landing clearance, usually because of an aircraft that the tower is trying to get out in front of me...

I usually get it by the time im a 1/4 from the runway...getting ready for the go-around  Wink
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:54 am

I'd admit to having flown along 10' above the runway (a long runway), waiting for a slowpoke to clear the runway and the tower to issue the landing clearance... ready to go around, but not really wanting to.

And there was this one time, when I was inbound from the west to my home 'drome (KADS, Addison), knowing well that the runway was to be closed at 10:00 for maintenance. As soon as I checked in with Regional Approach (DFW), the app controller asked me if I was aware that the runway was NOTAMed to close at 2200 local (this is, maybe, 21:50-ish?)- I told him that I was, and that any routing help he could give would be *most* appreciated, and he chuckled, said he'd "see what he could do." He gave me direct DFW over the top at 3,500', which I dearly love to do, not so unusual, but what was different was his handoff to ADS TWR the instant I was past the centerline of DFW.

I checked in with ADS TWR instanter, and they cleared me to land immediately- I had my landing clearance 8-10 minutes before I landed. Of course, the airport manager could do nothing about closing the runway while there was an aircraft cleared to land- it was "my runway." The lights were doused and the runway closed as soon as I cleared the active.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:51 am



Quoting SCCutler (Reply 9):
I'd admit to having flown along 10' above the runway (a long runway), waiting for a slowpoke to clear the runway and the tower to issue the landing clearance... ready to go around, but not really wanting to.

That is something that gets incorrectly applied/intereputed quite often.....the separation standard is from the landing threshold and makes no difference how long you fly over the runway at 10' or 200'!! But I know your intent and appreciate your help as always in making the tower job easier and more fun!  Smile
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:59 am

Clearence to Land does not necessary mean the Runway is vacant.It could mean that it would be vacant when you are about to land.In case the aircraft on the Runway has not vacated it for an abnormal reason.a Go-around would be needed to be undertaken.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:10 am

In New Zealand you don't get a landing clearance until the runway is clear.
 
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:51 am



Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 2):
When I fly (just training) I often get cleared to land before another plane is off the runway, there is a special term they use for it but i cant remember

Land After

IIRC it can only be done in daylight, as long as the 2 aircraft can see each other (thus on some sloped runways it can't be done), as long as aircraft types are similar (as regards approach speed and braking performance). It is quite common at Oxford on busy days, as Seneca's in the pattern with Eurostars create some interesting spacing nightmares!
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:31 am



Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 2):
When I fly (just training) I often get cleared to land before another plane is off the runway, there is a special term they use for it but i cant remember,

In the U.S. it is called anticipated separation.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:13 pm

Whatever happened to the proposal to eliminate "Position and Hold"?

It was brought up some time ago after some near-incidents...
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:26 pm



Quoting Rendezvous (Reply 12):
In New Zealand you don't get a landing clearance until the runway is clear.

Yes, let's be careful here. AFAIK the rules are different for the USA and Europe, and other countries... no surprize!

When I was working in the UK, you could only be 'cleared to land' if you were #1 and the runway was clear. In the USA at least, this is certainly not the case ... 'anticipated' or not.


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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:05 pm



Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 2):
there is a special term they use for it but i cant remember,

The term you're referring to is "Land After"... this means you are cleared to land but not until the other aircraft has fully cleared the runway.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:18 pm



Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 15):

Position and hold has been retained for now, but with additional requirements for ATC, including phraseology and staffing.

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 17):

In the US this would be called a "conditional clearance", and is not allowed. But "anticipated separation" is permitted.
 
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RE: Cleared To Land

Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:52 pm



Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 15):
Whatever happened to the proposal to eliminate "Position and Hold"?

I believe they can still do it, however they are not allowed to issue this at night.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:09 am



Quoting Soku39 (Reply 19):

Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 15):
Whatever happened to the proposal to eliminate "Position and Hold"?

I believe they can still do it, however they are not allowed to issue this at night.

Yes, it is used - just the other day I was out spotting at JFK, and heard any number of guys get "position and hold" instructions. Typically happened for spacing purposes - after a heavy departure, the controller gave an RJ or 737 instructions for "position and hold" until there was sufficient spacing to clear the RJ.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:31 am



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
If I was getting close to being over the threshhold and hand't been cleared to land, I'd probably be initiating a go-around...landing without a clearance is a big no-no. Usually means a nice chat with the FSDO...

Or just fly down the runway and ask for confirmation (see below).

Quoting Acabgd (Reply 6):
I would rather say up to the minimums or IM.

Tower has no idea what the crew's minimums are. It may not be what is published on the approach plate.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 9):
I'd admit to having flown along 10' above the runway (a long runway), waiting for a slowpoke to clear the runway and the tower to issue the landing clearance... ready to go around, but not really wanting to.

I've done that too once, and would do it again if the runway was long enough and traffic allowed (it was about 10,000ft long and I was in a PA28, and it was just me and the guy who was slow getting off the runway). Sure beats going around.

Quoting Soku39 (Reply 19):
I believe they can still do it, however they are not allowed to issue this at night.

I believe they can, but need to have certain staffing requirements. The times my flights have been refused position and hold at night are in either the dead of night or wee hours of the morning when there's probably only one or two people in the tower.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:34 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
The times my flights have been refused position and hold at night are in either the dead of night or wee hours of the morning

hmm interesting, I guess I'll have to ask my ATC instuctor whether or not the 7110.65 bans it exlusively, or if it's a terminal by terminal kind of thing. He mentioned something about the ban on night position and hold being introduced after that 1900 got landed on, out at L.A. I'm sure the truth is somewhere between our two statements though. At any rate I'll only accept it if I think it's safe no matter what time of day (or night) it's issued.  

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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:54 am



Quoting Soku39 (Reply 22):
At any rate I'll only accept it if I think it's safe no matter what time of day (or night) it's issued.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:13 am



Quoting P3Orion (Reply 23):
If the controller is trying to expedite your departure with a "squeeze play" and you refuse; don't complain.

...but of course, I just like being safe, If I have to wait another 6 or 7 mins for, 2 or 3 other guys to get down than so be it. I've had much worse with 3 or 4 in the pattern+arrivals at an uncontrolled field.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:08 am



Quoting Ednovak (Reply 18):
Position and hold has been retained for now, but with additional requirements for ATC, including phraseology and staffing.

Correct.

Quoting Soku39 (Reply 19):
however they are not allowed to issue this at night.

The night restriction was/is only for intersection departures, and that's still OK if other conditions are met (departure only runway for example).

Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
but need to have certain staffing requirements.

Yes, as also mentioned above. Cannot occur when tower ATC positions are combined with other positions (e.g. tower, ground, and approach, at night when less busy).

There are also requirements that each airport justify the operational need for TIPH procedures, and document the conditions under which they may occur.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:51 am



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 25):
There are also requirements that each airport justify the operational need for TIPH procedures, and document the conditions under which they may occur.

Bingo Jimbo!

You're correct.....and IIRC under the "current" rules as they change way to often now days, that document has to be reviewed by the local facility every 12 months.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:33 pm



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 25):
Yes, as also mentioned above. Cannot occur when tower ATC positions are combined with other positions (e.g. tower, ground, and approach, at night when less busy).

You are correct here except since the Lexington Kentucky crash you cannot combine all three positions together at night. You can only combine ground and local. We have to ship our radar to Minneapolis center between midnight and 6 a.m.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:35 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
I'd probably be initiating a go-around...landing without a clearance is a big no-no. Usually means a nice chat with the FSDO...

I've heard of several instances in ATL where in the heat of the rush, somebody couldn't get a word in edgewise on the radio then forgot to check in when it was clear....the tower doesn't want to deal with a go-around because that would present lots of issues getting them re-sequenced, etc., so they'll give 'em the light gun signals and once the plane is off the runway say something to the effect of "Acey 674 confirm you saw the lights from the tower?"  biggrin 

Quoting Ednovak (Reply 18):
Position and hold has been retained for now, but with additional requirements for ATC, including phraseology and staffing.

I've heard rumors that there is some proposal to change TIPH to the overseas version - Line up and wait. Anybody know anything about this? That would sure eliminate some fun sometimes:


"Jetlink 679, runway 23L, taxi into position and hold, traffic on an eight mile final, a 737."
"Okay, we'll pull it out and hold it on 23L, Jetlink 679."

"Jetlink 679, when you're done holding yourself, you're cleared for takeoff, runway heading, 23L."
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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:10 pm

Hey Bond thanks, that totally makes sense for departure only runways and busy terminals, I was just looking through the eyes of a 172 etc... guy, who is usualy only at Cs or Ds with one or two runways. Thanks again for clearing that up!
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RE: Cleared To Land

Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:40 pm



Quoting SCCutler (Reply 9):
the airport manager could do nothing about closing the runway while there was an aircraft cleared to land- it was "my runway."

Technically thet could close the runway as neither ATC nor Pilots own the runway. It is Airport Ops/Management turf. Then ATC would send you around.

Quoting Soku39 (Reply 24):
...but of course, I just like being safe, If I have to wait another 6 or 7 mins for, 2 or 3 other guys to get down than so be it. I've had much worse with 3 or 4 in the pattern+arrivals at an uncontrolled field.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:30 am



Quoting Rendezvous (Reply 12):
In New Zealand you don't get a landing clearance until the runway is clear.

Not quite.

ATC will often issue clearance before the runway is clear eg "ATR vacating right, cleared to land" or "Beech departs ahead, cleared to land." From memory, aircraft landing Grass 02/20 at Christchurch can be cleared to land upto Number 5.
 
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RE: Cleared To Land

Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:04 am



Quoting ATCT (Reply 30):
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Well I'm not exactly in the big show yet, the most I've done is shooting an ILS (in IMC to 300 feet above Cat 1 mins) into MDW 5kts below Vne in a 172 RG (something like 135 kts or so) to get in behind a 717 and in front of a 737...  eyepopping  talk about a squeeze play!
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RE: Cleared To Land

Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:57 am



Quoting ATCT (Reply 30):
Quoting SCCutler (Reply 9):
the airport manager could do nothing about closing the runway while there was an aircraft cleared to land- it was "my runway."

Technically thet could close the runway as neither ATC nor Pilots own the runway. It is Airport Ops/Management turf. Then ATC would send you around.

Well, one supposes, the airport sponsor always has the ability to do what it chooses (ask Mayor Daley, the dirtbag), but my experience has been that they defer to the controllers when it comes to the minutiae of when they might shut 'er down. They do rely upon the controllers to help them maintain and grow the field.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:28 am

Just for the record, I was cleared to land while still no. 2 for the runway behind another heavy on a 1 mile final at CDG night before last. Also position & hold or line up & wait is very much used even at night both the US and Europe.
 
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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:56 pm

This is what I pulled from the 7110.65

3−10−6. ANTICIPATING SEPARATION
Landing clearance to succeeding aircraft in a landing
sequence need not be withheld if you observe the
positions of the aircraft and determine that prescribed
runway separation will exist when the aircraft cross
the landing threshold. Issue traffic information to the
succeeding aircraft if not previously reported and
appropriate traffic holding in position or departing
prior to their arrival.

EXAMPLE−
“American Two Forty−Five cleared to land, number two
following United Boeing Seven−Thirty−Seven two mile
final, traffic will depart prior to your arrival.”
“American Two Forty−Five cleared to land, number two
following United Boeing Seven−Thirty−Seven two mile
final, traffic will be an MD 88 holding in position.”
“American Two Forty−Five cleared to land, following
United Boeing Seven−Thirty−Seven two mile final, traffic
will depart prior to your arrival.”
NOTE−
Landing sequence number is optional at tower facilities
where arrivals are sequenced by the approach control.
REFERENCE−
FAAO 7110.65, Closed/Unsafe Runway Information, Para 3−3−2.
FAAO 7110.65, Landing Clearance, Para 3−10−5b, not required if
utilizing the provisions of Para 3−10−6.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:54 pm

A the school I teach at landing clearances are given whenever the pilot has the plane he is following in sight. All planes must report abeam the numbers and then are given a clearance or told that they are number whatever for the airport. As soon as the student finds the plane they are following and reports it in sight they are usually given their clearance. As far as the latest you can get a clearance to land, I've been in the flare with power on for 1000 feet just staying feet above the runway waiting for it. Sometimes our controllers get really busy and you gotta ask for the clearance while you are in the flare. Gets a little hairy at times but its never bit me.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:39 am



Quoting FlyMKG (Reply 36):
As far as the latest you can get a clearance to land, I've been in the flare with power on for 1000 feet just staying feet above the runway waiting for it

Reference IAHFLYR reply # 10.

I am not sure where you teach at. But it does not matter if you are 10 feet or 100 feet off of the runway. In the US it is determined by the time the plane crosses the threshold. If you are coming up on the landing threshold and you have not been cleared to land, you go around. Or thats how it is done where I work at. Am I missing anything IAHFLYR??
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RE: Cleared To Land

Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:50 am



Quoting CptSpeaking (Reply 28):



Quoting NWA ARJ (Reply 37):
Am I missing anything IAHFLYR??

Nope, not one thing as I read the book of rules!
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RE: Cleared To Land

Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:57 pm



Quoting FlyMKG (Reply 36):
As far as the latest you can get a clearance to land, I've been in the flare with power on for 1000 feet just staying feet above the runway waiting for it. Sometimes our controllers get really busy and you gotta ask for the clearance while you are in the flare. Gets a little hairy at times but its never bit me.

You actually allow a student to operate in that manner? WOW, things sure have changed since I was being given flight instruction.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:37 pm



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 39):
You actually allow a student to operate in that manner? WOW, things sure have changed since I was being given flight instruction.

I don't have time to practice go arounds with students all day. When the controller has 6 guys in the pattern, 2 inbound for full stops, and 3 on practice approaches it gets a little busy. My students all know the proper way to do things. They all can fly the pattern fine, its the flare that gets them once in a while. Thats all they need to practice so the flare becomes the focus.
The controllers at my airport have all kinds of tricks of their sleeves to make things more efficient. Its just how they do it.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:18 pm



Quoting FlyMKG (Reply 40):
The controllers at my airport have all kinds of tricks of their sleeves to make things more efficient. Its just how they do it.

I'm glad they have tricks to use however, those tricks from what you wrote sure appear to be an interesting application of the .65's paragraph 3-10-3, and all the provisions....notice I said appears! Maybe you'll share some of those tricks to pass on?

Quoting FlyMKG (Reply 40):
When the controller has 6 guys in the pattern, 2 inbound for full stops, and 3 on practice approaches it gets a little busy.

Yeah, I can see where it would be busy....especially with the 3 practice approaches probably on final anywhere from 3-10 miles out on final, then dump in the 6 roundy rounds in between the practice approaches, the pattern the final sure would be pretty long. I hope all 9 have similar speeds.

Then toss in the 2 inbounds somewhere in the middle how does a one hour flight get the student more than 3 touch and goes?

Repectfully, with the traffic situtation you mention, it would seem that AZO might be ranked pretty high in aircraft ops but I can't find it.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:52 pm



Quoting NWA ARJ (Reply 35):

After reading this again it says nothing about having to go around if you havn't been given a clearance by the threshold. It says that the controller doesn't have to wait to give me a clearance as long as by the time I cross the threshold the my plane and the plane in front of me meet the seperation minimums. If the controller forgets to give me a clearance I can continue down the runway without landing until I ask for and receive a clearance if that is the case.
Also that seperation thing is in the ATC Handbook. As a pilot I can't ever recall being told to read 7110.65R although correct me if I'm wrong. I looked through my FAR/AIM and couldn't find anything that told me I had to go around in the scenarios we are talking about.

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 41):
Maybe you'll share some of those tricks to pass on?

You'll have to fly in and find out.  sarcastic 

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 41):
Repectfully, with the traffic situtation you mention, it would seem that AZO might be ranked pretty high in aircraft ops but I can't find it.

I don't fly out of AZO. The scenario I gave doesn't happen everyday either. It happens that one nice day in January where every instructor is trying to cram as many students as they can into the day. That nice day happened two weeks ago. Thats why I bring it up.
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RE: Cleared To Land

Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:12 pm



Quoting FlyMKG (Reply 42):
Thats why I bring it up.

Got ya, that makes way more sense.

Quoting FlyMKG (Reply 42):
that seperation thing is in the ATC Handbook. As a pilot I can't ever recall being told to read 7110.65R although correct me if I'm wrong. I looked through my FAR/AIM and couldn't find anything that told me I had to go around in the scenarios we are talking about

I wasn't told to read it when getting my private, only that situations may happen and if so here is a reason why even when things look perfectly safe from the view outside the windscreen.

Even though you won't find anything in the AIM or CFR that says you should go around, my point is the controllers usually will send you around if things are tight.....but tight is good!  Smile
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RE: Cleared To Land

Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:53 pm



Quoting FlyMKG (Reply 42):
Thats why I bring it up.

Sounds like a good day to go elsewhere and do t.g's. Otherwise I as a controller will go "Unable Closed Traffic, say intentions" My max ive ever done was 9 in the pattern and two inbound on practice approaches and I seemed to get everyone in and out just fine AND legal.

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RE: Cleared To Land

Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:39 pm



Quoting ATCT (Reply 44):
not that I work closed traffic anymore...

Yes you do.

You kids are always sending somebody around because you slowed the first 10 arrivals for some unknown reason!!!!  box   crackup 
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RE: Cleared To Land

Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:47 pm

Quoting ATCT (Reply 44):
Sounds like a good day to go elsewhere and do t.g's.

Even if you do go somewhere else to do touch and gos you still have to come back home... which is generally when it gets real busy, at the end of a flight period during the one nice day in winter when 15 planes converge on whats normally a dead airport all within 10 minutes. They're lucky to have control at battle creek, our pattern in winter on blue days gets crazy. I imagine it is at any other flight school with more than 20 planes, at an uncontrolled field. All I can say is without ATC, work yourself in and if you can't... go around, go around, go around.

For the controllers my hat's off to the heros at CAK who can have 3 RJs inbound, throw in a caravan or two, a G3, 3 or 4 props in the pattern, two guys on practice low approaches, and 2 more singles inbound... and then gettin all done legally and efficiently. Thanks to all the ATCers...

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RE: Cleared To Land

Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:47 am



Quoting Soku39 (Reply 46):
Thanks to all the ATCers...

Ill second that one. For what its worth, you ladies and gentlemen do have the uncanny ability to impress no matter how crazy busy it is...

and I used to hear it all the time while working at Logan...when the going gets tough...the tough get going
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RE: Cleared To Land

Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:05 am



Quoting Soku39 (Reply 46):
Thanks to all the ATCers

Even to those who work at spots which don't have all the training flights?  Smile

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RE: Cleared To Land

Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:00 pm



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 48):
Even to those who work at spots which don't have all the training flights?

Training flights....we dont do those do we DS? Unless you count every Flagship flight (Pinnacle).....  box 
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