qslinger
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Charges For Flying Over Different Countries

Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:50 pm

Hi,

Am curious as to how much money do airlines usually pay to cross over a country. Eg: Flight from DXB to LHR crosses over numerous countries, how is the fee calculated. Does it vary by country to country? When is this fees paid and how? If the fees is paid and due to some unusual circumstance, the airline did not fly over the country, is the fees refunded?

Are the charges applicable for an airline flying over its own country?
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PhilSquares
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RE: Charges For Flying Over Different Countries

Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:08 pm



Quoting Qslinger (Thread starter):
Am curious as to how much money do airlines usually pay to cross over a country. Eg: Flight from DXB to LHR crosses over numerous countries, how is the fee calculated. Does it vary by country to country? When is this fees paid and how? If the fees is paid and due to some unusual circumstance, the airline did not fly over the country, is the fees refunded?

Are the charges applicable for an airline flying over its own country?

Here is the charges for the US. http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...national_aviation/overflight_fees/

NavCanada http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefin...newsreleases/2005/nr1202_12_en.pdf

EuroControl http://www.eurocontrol.int/crco/gall.../public/docs/unit_rates/ur0801.pdf
http://www.eurocontrol.int/crco/publ...tandard_page/basic_unit_rates.html
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RE: Charges For Flying Over Different Countries

Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:36 pm

As you can see from Phil's list countries determine their own method of charging for aircraft (airline) overflights. Years ago a state, I think it was Montana (forgive me if I am incorrect), tried to charge aircraft for overflights. It was challenged and defeated in Federal Court.

We are billed directly by the FAA, NAV CANADA, EUROCONTROL, etc. for overflight fees.

The decision to exempt domestic flag carriers from overflight fees is up to the regulatory authority.
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RE: Charges For Flying Over Different Countries

Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:39 pm

Looking at the FAA chart above, it would add a reasonable amount of cost to a nonstop Canada-Australia flight!
 
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RE: Charges For Flying Over Different Countries

Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:50 am



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 1):
Here is the charges for the US. http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...fees/

Phil
Does the FAA actually charge the Oceanic fees? I seem to remember a big stink over this because the aircraft concerned does not enter US airspace and many countries/airlines refused to pay, but never heard if it was resolved.

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RE: Charges For Flying Over Different Countries

Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:02 am



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 1):
NavCanada http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefin...n.pdf

There are quite a few examples of NavCanada charges based on various routings and aircraft types in Appendix C (starting on about page 34 of the PDF) in their current charges guide below,
http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefin...ocharges/Customer_Guide_New_en.pdf
 
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RE: Charges For Flying Over Different Countries

Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:39 am



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 4):
Phil
Does the FAA actually charge the Oceanic fees? I seem to remember a big stink over this because the aircraft concerned does not enter US airspace and many countries/airlines refused to pay, but never heard if it was resolved.

Gemuser

They sure do, just as any other country would do if an aircraft operated in their oceanic airspace.
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RE: Charges For Flying Over Different Countries

Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:12 am



Quoting FlyMatt2Bermud (Reply 2):
Years ago a state, I think it was Montana (forgive me if I am incorrect), tried to charge aircraft for overflights. It was challenged and defeated in Federal Court

Wow, that's pretty interesting. Do you have a link to any info about that case? Why wouldnt they technically be allowed to do so? Is it because the ATC system is federal and not state?
 
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RE: Charges For Flying Over Different Countries

Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:08 am



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 6):
They sure do, just as any other country would do if an aircraft operated in their oceanic airspace.

When did charges start for non terriotiral airspace, in general start? Do you have another ref. The FAA one you quoted said nothing about them except for the map. The orginal agreements that set up Oceanic control airspace had no provisions for charging, and there weren't any for many years. How was the matter resolved (confrenance, agreement, convention)?

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RE: Charges For Flying Over Different Countries

Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:15 am

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 8):
When did charges start for non terriotiral airspace, in general start? Do you have another ref. The FAA one you quoted said nothing about them except for the map. The orginal agreements that set up Oceanic control airspace had no provisions for charging, and there weren't any for many years. How was the matter resolved (confrenance, agreement, convention)?

Overflight Fees
Fees in U.S.-Controlled Airspace
The FAA charges overflight fees to operators of aircraft that fly in U.S.-controlled airspace, but neither take off nor land in the United States. There are two types of fees:

Enroute -- $33.72 per 100 nautical miles (nm), Great Circle Distance (GCD), from point of entry into to point of exit from U.S.-controlled airspace
Oceanic -- $15.94 per 100 nm, GCD


If the aircraft overflies US territory the overflight charges are billed. If it lands or departs the US there are no charges. That's why the title of the page is OVERFLIGHT CHARGES

Here is the congressional authorisation for the implementation of user fees. http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf70/136814_web.pdf

[Edited 2008-01-20 03:24:00]
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