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ATR72-600 And It's Improvements? (plus Cometition)

Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:45 pm

ATR has rolled out it's newest line of the ATR, the ATR-72-600. Does is stand a chance against the Q400? I guess it's two different markets as the seating is greater on the larger Q400 but it would still be considered a competitor. Now, from you guys perspective on reading the specs and upgrades, are we seeing a huge improvement between it and the -200 and 500? Aside from the upgrades avionics. What improvememnts are we seeing here? Can we expect to see the departure of the lumpering, low and slow ATR to a faster turbo-prop?

http://www.skycontrol.net/business-g...0%98-600-series%E2%80%99-aircraft/
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RE: ATR72-600 And It's Improvements? (plus Cometition)

Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:54 pm

Apart from avionics, the aircraft also has upgraded engines (PW127M), and IIRC a slightly higher MTOW. Field performance should improve, but speed will stay about the same.
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RE: ATR72-600 And It's Improvements? (plus Cometition)

Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:17 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 1):

Well that sucks. I think this will turn away a lot of customers but I guess they know what they are doing.
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RE: ATR72-600 And It's Improvements? (plus Cometition)

Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:49 pm



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 2):
Well that sucks. I think this will turn away a lot of customers

I don't think so. ATR customers mainly fly the aircraft on short hops where speed isn't overly important. But in return, you get better fuel economy, and that's why ATR is doing that well.
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RE: ATR72-600 And It's Improvements? (plus Cometition)

Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:45 am



Quoting A342 (Reply 3):

I don't think so. ATR customers mainly fly the aircraft on short hops where speed isn't overly important. But in return, you get better fuel economy, and that's why ATR is doing that well.

Exactly.

I'm currently flying the 145 on stages such as ORD-MLI/SBN/MKE, STL-SPI/SGF/DSM/CID. A prop would be just as fast on those routes (in fact, nobody in the company has been able to beat the 8 minutes SPI-STL that the J-41 did back in the day) yet we're still flying the jet at the cost of a ton of fuel.
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RE: ATR72-600 And It's Improvements? (plus Cometition)

Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:37 am



Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 4):
Exactly.

I'm currently flying the 145 on stages such as ORD-MLI/SBN/MKE, STL-SPI/SGF/DSM/CID. A prop would be just as fast on those routes (in fact, nobody in the company has been able to beat the 8 minutes SPI-STL that the J-41 did back in the day) yet we're still flying the jet at the cost of a ton of fuel.

I see both you guys point. That's why I wonder why US carriers (yes, they pretty much dicate what goes on with regionals) pretty much tossed the turbo-prop and we now have Delta running the CRJ on ATL-MCN! That's ridicoulous. I really think we will start to see a rise in profits again if we got ride of a lot of these 50 seaters on some of the shorter routes and replace them with the TP.
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RE: ATR72-600 And It's Improvements? (plus Cometition)

Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:40 pm



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
That's why I wonder why US carriers (yes, they pretty much dicate what goes on with regionals) pretty much tossed the turbo-prop and we now have Delta running the CRJ on ATL-MCN! That's ridicoulous.

Well, back in the nineties, fuel was extremely cheap, compared to the level nowadays. So some smart folks decided to throw jets at such routes, just for the sake of the jet-mania.
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RE: ATR72-600 And It's Improvements? (plus Cometition)

Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:15 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
Well, back in the nineties, fuel was extremely cheap, compared to the level nowadays. So some smart folks decided to throw jets at such routes, just for the sake of the jet-mania.

There are lots of signs it's turning around. Both ATR and Bombardier are scoring sales of their top-line turboprops, bought by airlines who understand the economics. The biggest worry, frankly, is that this god-awful recession will throw a monkey wrench into that. Rather than a choice between an RJ or a turboprop, it will be neither as routes die left, right and centre.
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RE: ATR72-600 And It's Improvements? (plus Cometition)

Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:11 pm



Quoting Arrow (Reply 7):
There are lots of signs it's turning around. Both ATR and Bombardier are scoring sales of their top-line turboprops, bought by airlines who understand the economics.

 checkmark  No doubt about that.
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