JAGflyer
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Runway Requirements In Canada

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:02 pm

I am doing a project for my Airport Management class where we need to redesign an airport which currently has a 2700 foot runway. The city will be home to an automotive plant and therefore the airport will be receiving cargo and pax. I have decided to suggest a longer runway (4500 feet), larger ramp and Jet-A1 fuel. I need to say why I want these changes. Right now I am saying that the longer runway will be able to accommodate the B1900 and Dash 8. Where would be the best place to look to find minimum runway lengths required for take off/landing of these aircraft? I tried the manufacturer's websites but I could not locate the information. The two publications we were suggested to review were Transport Canada's TP312 and TP1247.

Precision and specifics are very important in this assignment as the teacher has very high standards and basically "knows his shit" for lack of a better term. For anyone who went to or knows the Aviation program at Georgian, the teacher is Mr. S.
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RE: Runway Requirements In Canada

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:08 pm

you are saying that the airport and pax. Depending on the cargo volumes (737? 757?) you might want to take a look at the ATR-42/72 freighter specifics as well.
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RE: Runway Requirements In Canada

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:26 pm

If this airport is to support the auto plant, then you need real air cargo ability! You didn't mention if this is a real plant. Is this plant an assembly plant or a parts plant. The automotive industry has moved to a just in time parts supply. Disrupt this supply chain and they start flying parts in a big way. Think DC9's, DC8-70s, Convair 540s, B727s. These are the most common parts haulers for the auto industry.
 
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RE: Runway Requirements In Canada

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:43 pm

This is a fictitious case study which says an auto plant will be opening and it suggests a 5000 foot runway. This length of runway will not fit on the premises so I am proposing a 4500 foot runway which will be able to handle the regional airliner types like the Dash 8 and B1900. The cargo aspect is a small part of the project and I doubt the auto plant is going to rely on a regional airport for most of it's inbound cargo. The wording of the assignment makes it sound more like the purpose of the airport is more for pax which will most likely be people dealing with the auto plant. I will mention that cargo B1900s will be able to use the airport as well.

Being that this airport is fictitious and the teacher is very vague in his explanations I can only suggest what I think would be viable at the airport.
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RE: Runway Requirements In Canada

Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:08 pm



Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 3):
I will mention that cargo B1900s will be able to use the airport as well.

Don't forget the ATR-42/72 freighters (which can haul a lot more). Interesting for both pax and freight service (FedEx operates them) without having to make runway modifications. Source: http://www.atraircraft.com/public/at...html/products/products.php?aid=506

Could you tell a bit more about your study? What does it include, how do you like it, how is the city etc. I'm a 2nd year Logistics student and I've got to do a 'minor' (half year) next year and I'd like to do it in Aviation Management/Ops so I'm looking around at the possibilities. Will open a thread later but why not see what this study is like right now  Silly.
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RE: Runway Requirements In Canada

Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:16 pm

I am talking real life. GYY serves the Ford assembly plant in Chicago as well as the Ford stamping plant in Chicago Heights. When their just in time parts pipeline gets a kink, things get interesting. Active Aero handles the freight assignments. They place the requirements for the load on their site and the different companies then bid on them.The low price gets the load. In the early 2000's, when Ford was selling all they could make, it was not unusal to see 6 to 8 cargo birds a day. Just think what that cost! But it was cheaper than shutting down the lines. This went on for about 18 months before things slowed down. Airlift was so tight that C130s where coming down from Alaska to pick up loads. The DC8s carried inner door panels down to Atlanta. 14 racks of 50 panels each. The aircraft was full, but not near MTOW. The only time small aircraft were used was an ice storm between Tennessee and Chicago. The trucks could not make deliveries from a plastic extrusion plant in Tennesse and the Lear Seating Plant in Hammond Indiana. The Tennessee plant had a small regional airport there but the biggest useable aiecrqaft was the DC3/C47. I think we hade everyone in the Midwest come in, some painted in D Day colors.

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RE: Runway Requirements In Canada

Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:13 pm



Quoting JAGflyer (Thread starter):
Where would be the best place to look to find minimum runway lengths required for take off/landing of these aircraft? I tried the manufacturer's websites but I could not locate the information.

The BBD website contains the takeoff/landing specs. for the CRJ and Q Series. Look under "Specifications" once you've clicked through to the Aerospace and Regional Aircraft pages.

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