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Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:31 am

I was wondering which Jet Engine has sold the most examples of all time?
I was thinking the JT8 or CFM 56, Anybody know which one?
 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:36 pm



Quoting Clydenairways (Thread starter):

I would put my money on the JT8D for now:
DC-9
B727
B737
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:48 pm



Quoting Miamiair (Reply 1):
I would put my money on the JT8D for now:
DC-9
B727
B737
Mercure

Yeah, is was thinking along those lines too (Later Caravelles Also JT8D) and the fact that each 727 had 3 engines but look at the CFM 56 too

737-300/400/500 and all NG series.
A320/319/321/318 ( more than half of all built)
A340-200/300 (low numbers but 4 engines an airframe)
DC8-70 series (low numbers but 4 engines an airframe)
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:09 pm



Quoting Clydenairways (Reply 2):
Yeah, is was thinking along those lines too (Later Caravelles Also JT8D) and the fact that each 727 had 3 engines but look at the CFM 56 too

I suspect by now the CFM56's produced outnumber the JT8D's. Just the number of 737 Classics and NG's produced far outnumber all of the planes produced that used the JT8D.
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:56 pm

JT8-D over 14,000 produced.
CFM 56 over 17,500 produced.
 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:34 pm

Wouldn't military sales, though, give the JT3's an edge, especially considering that most of those were sold in 4- or 8-engine ship sets?  stirthepot 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:58 pm

Yeah, are you just asking about airline jets? Didn't the J47 sell 20000+? Maybe some Russian engine had more than that?
 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:09 pm



Quoting Timz (Reply 6):
Maybe some Russian engine had more than that?

You might not be far off with that.

This may not apply now, but somewhere, I read about how reliable the older Soviet engines were. When this one Asian airline (Chinese? Mongolian?) who only bought Russian equipment decided to buy a Boeing design (IIRC, it was the 707,) they bought 16(!) spare engines to go with just that one aircraft. That same airline bought many, many more of the same aircraft, and after about 30 years of use, they retired that fleet and still had 4 engines left in their original crates.
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:25 pm

My list:

JT8D
CF-6
CFM56

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Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:33 pm

Without question it was the J-57, which powered the B-52, F-100, F-101, F-102, F4D and the F8U. Remember that each B-52 used eight (8) of them. A close second would be the J-47 which powered the B-47 and F-86's.

Boeing (and Lockheed) built 2,042 B-47's which required 12,240 J-47 without spares.
 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:10 am

To the JT-8D, we must, of course, add the engines on the Saab Viggen, even if these numbers are rather small.

I would also guess the GE J-79 is pretty high on the list:

F-104 (more than 1000 built).
F-4 (several thousand built, and 2 engines each. Only some had Spey engines).

According to Wikipedia, more than 17000 were built.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:03 am



Quoting 474218 (Reply 9):
Without question it was the J-57, which powered the B-52, F-100, F-101, F-102, F4D and the F8U. Remember that each B-52 used eight (8) of them.

And don't forget the 800 or so KC-135s, which originally each had 4 J-57s.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:50 am

According to wiki the jt3c/j57 had 21,170 built. I guess all those eight engine B52 and four engine 707/KC135 and DC8's really add up to a lot of engines. I do think the CFM 56 has a chance of eclipsing this number. Even coming close is a feat since many of the airframes only have two vs four or eight.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:59 pm

I would imagine that the CF-34 is starting to get pretty high up there. There are a ton of CRJ-200/700/900 and now the EMB-170/190 are using them as well.
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:27 pm

How about the RR RB211? Just a thought.
 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:46 pm



Quoting 752is (Reply 14):
How about the RR RB211? Just a thought.

I don't have the figures for the different variants, but you may be on to something. After all, it is also used as a static motor in industrial applications, (oil rigs, etc), not just slung under airraft wings.
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:24 am



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 10):
F-104 (more than 1000 built).
F-4 (several thousand built, and 2 engines each. Only some had Spey engines).

The A-5 Vigilante used the J79, and the CV-880.
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Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:37 am



Quoting BAe146QT (Reply 15):
Quoting 752is (Reply 14):
How about the RR RB211? Just a thought.

I don't have the figures for the different variants, but you may be on to something. After all, it is also used as a static motor in industrial applications, (oil rigs, etc), not just slung under aircraft wings.

Industrial and marine versions of many other jet engines have also been built, although total numbers are much smaller than those used on aircraft. For example, GE says that "more than 1,800 aeroderivative gas turbine engines have been sold for marine and industrial use."

GE says the marine version of the TF-39, the first high-bypass turbofan used on the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy and on which the design of the commercial CF-6 first used on the DC-10 was based, powers many ships in 24 world navies and several fast ferries.
 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:15 am



Quoting Clydenairways (Thread starter):
I was wondering which Jet Engine has sold the most examples of all time?
I was thinking the JT8 or CFM 56

Since the CFM56 is still in production, I can't imagine it not being the highest selling engine, but then again what are the numbers for the RB 211?
I would not consider the marine and pump engine derivatives of the CF-6 as included in contension for highest selling aircraft engine, because they are not powering an aircraft.
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:40 am



Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 13):
I would imagine that the CF-34 is starting to get pretty high up there. There are a ton of CRJ-200/700/900 and now the EMB-170/190 are using them as well.

Also the A-10 Thunderbolt II and S-3 Viking.
 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:50 am

All engines mentioned so far are certainly widely produced, but do not even come close to the Klimov VK-1. This engine was used by the Soviet Union to power both the MiG-15 and the MiG-17, as well as the Ilyushin Il-28 bomber. Depending on which numbers you believe correct (reported production numbers for these aircraft vary wildly, most accounts state at least 12,000 MiG-15s, 6,000 MiG-17s and 2,000 Il-28s were made in the Soviet Union alone, plus large amounts of licence production on top of that), there have been anywhere between 22,000 and 39,000 VK-1s produced.
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:22 am

my guess:
JT-8D
CFM-56
RB211

also the RR Trents are getting up there too and the GE-90s are getting alot of orders
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:32 pm

Pratt & Whitney Canada PT 6.
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:05 pm



Quoting T prop (Reply 22):
Pratt & Whitney Canada PT 6.

Although this thread involves jets, the PT6 cetainly must break some records for turboprops with over 35,000 built as of last September per a P&WC press release, and still in production after 44 years.
 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:15 pm

The GE section in Janes 1956-57 says 36,500+ J47s built by then. Not all by GE, tho.
 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:15 pm



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 21):
the GE-90s are getting alot of orders

But the GE90 is a one-trick pony...not even Boeing's most wildly optimistic projections for 777 sales would bring it over 10,000 engines over the whole life of the program.

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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:37 pm

Four years later, the CFM56, on the 30th anniversary of its service entry, has passed 23,300 deliveries, and 28,875 orders in total, as per Guy Norris' blog...

http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.as...4992e4-bb7a-4b9b-a01b-12bb1e82f49e

(incredible that this thread is still live!)
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 26):
(incredible that this thread is still live!)

Tech/ops threads normally don't die without moderator intervention. They won't usually intervene, except when you bring up THAT thread    (which they locked when the site went to new ownership )
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:38 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 27):
Quoting Aircellist (Reply 26):
(incredible that this thread is still live!)

Tech/ops threads normally don't die without moderator intervention.

Why? Seems strange. I just spotted this thread and started reading it and was on the verge of replying when I noticed that I had already replied -- 4 years ago! I've often wondered how people even find such old threads to reactivate them. I personally find the A.net search tool so bad I often can't find a thread from last week, never mind 4 years ago.  
 
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 28):
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 27):
Quoting Aircellist (Reply 26):
(incredible that this thread is still live!)

Tech/ops threads normally don't die without moderator intervention.

Why? Seems strange. I just spotted this thread and started reading it and was on the verge of replying when I noticed that I had already replied -- 4 years ago! I've often wondered how people even find such old threads to reactivate them. I personally find the A.net search tool so bad I often can't find a thread from last week, never mind 4 years ago.  

In fact, I found it on Google, just looking for "most sold aviation jet engine"... The search engine of DM had nothing to do with me finding it whatsoever...  
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:30 am

So... Anybody care to help? Here is a short list of best-sellers turbine engines, in order

For PWC and probably in all, the best-seller is the PT6, of course, with 43 000 units sold, and counting (source: PWC site) (by the way, that is more than the number of PW Wasp manufactured) (I'm not talking about the other reciprocating engines of PW)

RR: M250: over 30 000 (RR site)

CFM: as I wrote, CFM56 23,300 deliveries, and 28,875 orders in total

For PW, the J57/JT3C sold 21 170 (Wikipedia), to which we could add 8 000 JT3D/TF33, and the JT8D has sold more than 11 800 copies (PW site)

Tumansky R-11: 20 900 (Wikipedia)

GE: J79: more than 17 000 (GE site)

Garrett/Honeywell TPE331: over 14 000, TFE731 over 11 000 (Wikipedia)

Turbomeca: Arriel: over 10 000 (Safran site)

The IAE V2500 has been delivered in 5000 copies (IAE site), I haven't found an order sheet, though...

Any corrections/suggestions/omissions?
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:21 pm

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 30):
Garrett/Honeywell TPE331: over 14 000, TFE731 over 11 000 (Wikipedia)

Does it include APU sales? Change the gearbox on a TPE331 and add a load compressor and it is the GTP-331 which in flying around in a lot of 757/767/777 and I think some Airbus aircraft.

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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:54 pm

Quoting boeing767mech (Reply 31):
Does it include APU sales?

Excellent question, thanks for asking!  I don't know whether the PT6 numbers include PT6T in single, double or not at all...
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:12 am

To quote myself from over four years ago:

Quoting MrChips (Reply 20):
Depending on which numbers you believe correct (reported production numbers for these aircraft vary wildly, most accounts state at least 12,000 MiG-15s, 6,000 MiG-17s and 2,000 Il-28s were made in the Soviet Union alone, plus large amounts of licence production on top of that), there have been anywhere between 22,000 and 39,000 VK-1s produced

A bit more research shows that the higher number is probably correct; so, there have been 39,000 Klimov VK-1s produced, as well as a further 8,500 license-built by the Chinese as the WP-5.

If you want to take it even further, the VK-1 was derived from the Rolls-Royce Nene, of which ~1,900 were produced as either Nenes, Pratt & Whitney J42s or Orenda Nenes.
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RE: Which Is The Most Popular Jet Engine Of All Time

Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:04 am

Quoting MrChips (Reply 33):
To quote myself from over four years ago:

Quoting MrChips (Reply 20):
Depending on which numbers you believe correct (reported production numbers for these aircraft vary wildly, most accounts state at least 12,000 MiG-15s, 6,000 MiG-17s and 2,000 Il-28s were made in the Soviet Union alone, plus large amounts of licence production on top of that), there have been anywhere between 22,000 and 39,000 VK-1s produced

A bit more research shows that the higher number is probably correct; so, there have been 39,000 Klimov VK-1s produced, as well as a further 8,500 license-built by the Chinese as the WP-5.

If you want to take it even further, the VK-1 was derived from the Rolls-Royce Nene, of which ~1,900 were produced as either Nenes, Pratt & Whitney J42s or Orenda Nenes.

Oh, I overlooked your post, sorry...

So, the Nene/VK-1 would finally be in first position, with something like 49 400 engines produced... Pretty impressive!
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