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DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:44 pm

http://www.reportonbusiness.com/serv...rtwinotter10/BNStory/Business/home
It looks like a great Aircraft will be built again-
"The first new-generation Twin Otters will fly next spring. Parts are made in Victoria and the aircraft is assembled in Calgary."
I will be interested in seeing the specs on this with the new technologies available.

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:43 pm

http://www.vikingair.com/content2.aspx?id=276
All you had to do was ask. I wish they would bring back the Beaver.
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:03 pm



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 1):
I wish they would bring back the Beaver.

Find a Data Plate and they will build you one around it.  Big grin Oh, did you want that with Turbine or Recip motor ?

Interesting on the specs, the 300 series has -27 engines de-rated to 620 SHP, it seems a waste to put -34's on and de-rate from 780 down to 620. Other than that it looks like a cut and paste of the std specs. I would have thought they might have included the Military Mods to get it up to 14,000 MTOW.

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:24 pm

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 2):
it seems a waste to put -34's

That is a popular mod with drop zones and high/hot operators

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 2):
I would have thought they might have included the Military Mods to get it up to 14,000 MTOW.

In the US, that would trigger the requirement for a type rating. As long as the MTOW is under 12.5k lbs, you can fly it single pilot with no type reqiured. Much more expensive training.

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 2):
Oh, did you want that with Turbine or Recip motor ?

If you want a Caravan, get a Caravan, if you want a Beaver, well, there is only one way to go...

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:38 pm

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 3):
if you want a Beaver, well, there is only one way to go...

Yeah, love that sound. When I worked in Yellowknife the hanger on the next taxiway was home to Buffalo Airways, he operated Dakota's, DC-4's, Curtis Commando's, Canadair 215's and Canso's all recip powered. I loved hearing those things run.

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:00 pm

It would be nice to see new versions of these flying in the skies.....


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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:00 pm

It turns out the US Army has an interesting role for it.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rmys-golden-knights-parachute.html

Quote:
"The US Army will purchase three DHC-6 Twin Otter Series 400 aircraft from Viking Air Limited for its elite Golden Knights parachute team.

Priced at $14.3 million in total, the three aircraft will replace two existing Twin Otter Series 300 twin-engine turboprops, purchased from de Havilland Canada in 1979, and one Pilatus Porter, a single-engine turboprop. The Golden Knights use the 16-passenger aircraft as jump platforms."
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:27 pm

Now let's restart DC-3 (modernised) production Big grin

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:30 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):
Now let's restart DC-3 (modernised) production

Well if we are going to dream, how about the Constellation?
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:41 am

Aviation Week video on the Twin Otter's return to production.
http://aviationweek.feedroom.com/lin...0f374e34d3fc5944a9f9&rf=ev&hl=true

The opening footage features an experimental STOL scheduled service funded by the Canadian government between Montreal and Ottawa operated for about 2 years starting in 1974 by an operator called Air Transit Canada, a subsidiary of Air Canada. It operated several times a day between a STOL-port built specifically for that service close to downtown Montreal, on land that had been used as a parking lot during the Expo 67 World's Fair seven years earlier (that's the runway you can see it landing on in the video). In Ottawa it used close-in Rockliffe Airport, now closed, where the Canadian Aviation Museum is located. I flew on that service once just for fun. The Twin Otters used had much more spacious seating with just one seat on each side of the aisle, and about 10 or 11 seats total, rather than the usual 19 seats in a 1-2 layout. Seats were similar to a single Y class seat on a DC-9 or similar types.
 
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:18 am

Way to go Dash 6. Now if only we could get the Dash 2 like Lowrider said. How hard could that be to do that?

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:18 am



Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 4):
Yeah, love that sound.

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61gRPW4vimY

It shows my favourite Beaver making a grasslanding in Flensburg before being re-equipped with amphibious floats.
This aircraft used to fly out from the seaplane-base next to the old airport in Oslo before being sold to a German operator
a few years ago. The sight and sound of her is sadly missed.

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:26 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):
Now let's restart DC-3 (modernised) production

Here you go.

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:08 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 12):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):
Now let's restart DC-3 (modernised) production

Here you go.

2H4

I mean newly built, not some conversion of a 70 year old airframe (which I regret due to historical value).
Somebody once said that the only replacement for a DC-3 is a DC-3.
I wonder who owns the type certificate and if one could get a set of blueprints (also for the jigs) to start from.

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Sun May 16, 2010 5:18 am

In The Friday, May 14th Print Edition of Canada's THE GLOBE & MAIL: REPORT ON BUSINESS section on Corporate Strategy is an article on The rebirth of a Canadian icon , the Twin Otter.

Quote:
The robust Twin Otter turboprop earned a reputation for being able to operate in any conditions. Two decades after the last one rolled off the line, it’s taking to the air again thanks to a small Alberta plane maker
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Mon May 17, 2010 1:53 am

From the Globe link above.....

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"National flags from around the world adorn the walls of the Calgary plant. The latest one to go up is from Vietnam, where Viking has signed a contract to deliver six Twin Otters to that country’s navy from 2012 to 2014.

It appears that three of those will be in one of the Twotter's most enduring, ubiquitous configurations --- equipped with floats for maritime patrol (brown water?).....

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http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rs-float-equipped-twin-otters.html

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"The Vietnamese navy is to acquire six DHC-6 Twin Otter Series 400s from Viking Air, in the nation's first purchase of a Western-built aircraft.

Victoria, Canada-based Viking Air says it has finalised a purchase agreement with the Vietnamese defence ministry for a new fleet of float-equipped aircraft, with three to be configured for maritime patrol applications.

Other roles expected to be performed by the new aircraft include VIP and personnel transport, resupply tasks and search and rescue missions, Viking Air says."


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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Tue May 18, 2010 12:55 pm

My dream is to reintroduce the Dash 8-200 as there is no 30(ish)-seat aircraft in production. We know have 2 19-seaters back in production. The next jump is a 48-seat ATR 42-600.
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Tue May 18, 2010 11:39 pm

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 2):
Interesting on the specs, the 300 series has -27 engines de-rated to 620 SHP, it seems a waste to put -34's on and de-rate from 780 down to 620.

But it would probably give better operating ranges on the temps to avoid overheating.
 
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed May 19, 2010 8:53 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
We know have 2 19-seaters back in production.

Pardon my ignorance. What is the other 19-seater you're referring to?

An upgraded version of the GAF N24 Nomad (16 passengers, and not dissimilar to the twin otter) is also due to go into production soon at Gippsland Aeronautics.
 
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed May 19, 2010 9:50 am

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 18):
Pardon my ignorance. What is the other 19-seater you're referring to?

RUAG Aerospace has relaunched the Dornier 228 NG.
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed May 19, 2010 1:21 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 6):
Priced at $14.3 million in total, the three aircraft will replace two existing Twin Otter Series 300 twin-engine turboprops, purchased from de Havilland Canada in 1979, and one Pilatus Porter, a single-engine turboprop. The Golden Knights use the 16-passenger aircraft as jump platforms."

That is interesting because I saw the Knights jump a couple weeks ago, and it was not out of an Otter.
 
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed May 19, 2010 5:54 pm

Nice to see the Twin Otter in production again. How many has been ordered and what is the production rate planned?

Quoting thegman (Reply 20):
That is interesting because I saw the Knights jump a couple weeks ago, and it was not out of an Otter.

Then it was probably a Porter 

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed May 19, 2010 5:56 pm

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 21):
Then it was probably a Porter

Or one of their C-31s:


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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed May 19, 2010 6:48 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 22):
Or one of their C-31s:

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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed May 19, 2010 7:55 pm

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 2):
Interesting on the specs, the 300 series has -27 engines de-rated to 620 SHP, it seems a waste to put -34's on and de-rate from 780 down to 620.

Flat-rating an engine like that gives better performance at high altitude and temperature, specifically on takeoff. Since you are limited by other factors to producing 620 of the engine's 780 thermodynamic horsepower (the maximum power an engine can produce at its temperature limits), you have much more temperature margin to play with. Where you would end up temping out the old engines in a hot, high takeoff and be forced to use a reduced power setting, the new engines would still have margin to spare, allowing you to produce maximum rated power in the same situation.

In essence, while the engines still have the same rated horsepower as before, they can produce it through a much wider range of conditions.
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RE: DHC-6 Twin Otter Back In Production

Wed May 19, 2010 8:38 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
My dream is to reintroduce the Dash 8-200 as there is no 30(ish)-seat aircraft in production.


I'm hoping against hope that Bombardier finds the business case for its revival.....
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IAe is contemplating the 19-seat N219 as well, for the local market.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...veloping-new-19-seat-aircraft.html

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"Indonesian Aerospace (IAe) is developing a new 19-seat turboprop aircraft, the IAe N219, that will be pitched at Indonesian operators.

The N219 has a list price of $3.5 million, and is being marketed mostly to small charter operators that need a rugged and reliable aircraft that is affordable, says IAe director of aero-structure Andi Alisjahbana.

Its other major selling point is the N219 has three abreast seating and one of the largest passenger cabins in its class, he adds.

Indonesia is an archipelago of 17,000 islands so there is huge demand for air travel, says Alisjahbana."


It will be tough securing 30 launch orders. What with LET also trying to breathe new life into their 410 and the CASA 212-400 still around.

Quoting thegman (Reply 20):

That is interesting because I saw the Knights jump a couple weeks ago, and it was not out of an Otter.

It doesn't mean it did not exist. Here's half of the twin.....

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