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Vickers Vanguard

Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:00 pm

I'm not sure if the Vickers Vanguard entry has been removed from the A/C Data section or if there never was a Vanguard entry. It would be great if somebody bothered to write one for this near-great airliner.
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RE: Vickers Vanguard

Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:53 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter):
It would be great if somebody bothered to write one

You are right----it would be nice.

May not be enough grey-beards left to talk about it. Would like to hear some stories from the AC, BA, or former BE folks. Maybe Invicta folks?

A kool looking aircraft with those wonderful Vickers picture windows. I only saw them at MIA and TPA back in the 1960's. They were Trans Canada back then. I enjoyed seeing them in operation. They flew them in and out of ORD as well so some folks there should have some memories to share.

I recall something about some annoying noise issues for the pax sitting just aft of the wing? Something about the way the prop-wash from the inboards "beat" the side of the fuselage. Never did read any engineering discussion of the problem.
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RE: Vickers Vanguard

Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:48 pm

The data is out there, it just needs someone to add it to the website. Another notable omission is the de Havilland Trident. As the first trijet to fly that would be a natural inclusion for  Wink

Are these data pages submitted by members or written by staff?
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RE: Vickers Vanguard

Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:20 am

Can't help with data, but I worked on and flew in the Vanguards of BEA. Flew from GIB to LHR in 1969 non-stop overnight. G-APEB 3hrs 30min. Four of us teenagers on ID tickets sat in row 1 and 2 on the right hand side. The seats faced each other with a large pull down table between them, and we played cards all night. First class was at the back.
I also changed a Tyne engine once in EDI, outside in January. BEA usually three engine ferried the Vanguards back to LHR for engine change. But this one had been in EDI three days waiting for the wind to change because it could not take off from the short runway. So we went and changed it outside in the snow. The engine was delivered without a bleed valve, so we had to change it over from the old engine. It needed rigging and we had no test set. The engine we had changed had no generator (The Vanguard only had generators on three engines) so we had to start another engine first because at high power the Vanguard shook so much that the Ground Power plug fell out. Then run the engine we had changed. Shut it down, plug in ground power, shut the other one down. Open the Petal cowlings (They were huge in a strong wind!). Adjust the bleed valve. Close the cowlings. Start again. It took hours and it was cold and windy and snowing. I still remember it clearly. Then when we had finished we got back to the hotel in EDI at 0200 and it was shut. Took us ages to get someone to open the door. We changed G-APEM Nbr 2 engine.
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RE: Vickers Vanguard

Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:19 am

I flew on 3 or 4 AC Vanguards (the first one when still TCA), and one BEA Vanguard (LHR-AMS). It's the only type where I've flown on one operated by every original customer (both of them)!!

They were somewhat noisier than the Viscount thanks to the R-R Tynes, but the big windows (like the Viscount) and spacious cabin made them quite pleasant. They were also significantly faster than the Viscount. AC's were much more spacious in Y class than BEA's as AC had 5-abreast seating while BEA's were 6-abreast. AC's initial configuration was 96 seats almost equally divided between Y and F -- 50 Y and 46 F class (2-2). Only 6 BEA Vanguards were 2-class.. The rest were all-economy with 132 seats. I think the Vanguard's maximum certificated seating was 139.

After the first couple of years of AC service, which was during the period when Y class was taking over from F as the standard product in North America, they reduced F class to 18 seats in the rear cabin. I think total AC seating then increased from 96 to 108 (90 Y and 18 F).

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RE: Vickers Vanguard

Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:10 pm

I recall in 1969, when the Vanguard's days at Air Canada were numbered, my father took me on an employee pass on a day trip to Winnipeg and back, just to fly on the aircraft one more time. Yeah, I was an airline geek even then!

The routing was YYZ-YAM-YQT-YWG, then we had lunch, and returned YWG-YQT-YAM-YYZ. I had a great time of course, and to date, I still can't believe he took me on a six leg marathon on one of his days off! (My father was a DC-8 Captain at the time!)

I have just about every publicity brochure and manual published by TCA and Air Canada on the Vanguard, as it will always remain a favourite airplane of mine. Any information you want to know, just let me know.
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RE: Vickers Vanguard

Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:04 am

I did three or four trips across Lake Erie YXU-CLE-YXU in about 1968 or 1968 in them. I remember them as quite comfortable, a solid and sedate aircraft. As I remember it the crew was based in Montreal so I am guessing they did a YUL-YYZ-YXU-CLE and return circuit.

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