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What Happens To Crews When Airlines Stops?

Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:39 am

What happens to the crews of the airlines when they decide to shut down so quickly? Do all the planes fly back to the airline base?
 
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RE: What Happens To Crews When Airlines Stops?

Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:44 am



Quoting Fvyfireman (Thread starter):
Do all the planes fly back to the airline base?

Usually they do, but not always. It just depends on the situation.
 
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RE: What Happens To Crews When Airlines Stops?

Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:45 am

If you are exceedingly lucky, you can ride on the ferry flight back to the hub.

In some cases, other airlines have stepped in to return stranded cabin crews. In other cases, the bankrupt entity has made arrangement by paying for their transportation.

And it's always possible you are stranded and have to put up your own money to get home. I imagine that was the case with Skybus.
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RE: What Happens To Crews When Airlines Stops?

Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:46 am

It depends.

In the case of most of the airlines that have shut down this past week (except) ATA, those airlines continued to operate their schedules for a set period after the announcement. Aloha preemptively announced the shut-down a few days before it happened. Champion has set a date. SkyBus finished their whole schedule for the rest of that day. ATA just shut down everything and only flew the flights that were still in the air - which I think was mostly the redeyes coming back to the mainland from Hawaii.

The one factor that sometimes impacts these sorts of decisions is international flights. Usually, when airlines know they are going to shut down, they cancel any flights going out of country to foreign countries, or preemptively bring planes already overseas back to the home country. The reason is that if an airline files for bankruptcy, the airline's assets can be repossessed by creditors in foreign countries as collateral to hold in lieu of payment for services, whereas within their home country, they generally receive some form of protection from this sort of immediate repossession of assets by creditors.

As for the crews, specifically, their fate is usually determined by the above. In some cases, they are stuck with the planes - wherever they end up. In other (most) cases, the airline itself arranges for their transportation home to their base. Aloha, for example, made arrangements ahead of time to get their crews on the mainland back to Honolulu. On the other hand, when TWA went bankrupt, some flight attendants showed up to hotels (one in Houston seems to come to mind) and were told, "either you pay with your own credit card, or you're not staying here" - which is strange, of course, as AMR had already given TWA money to operate at that point, and was covering its bills.

But still, it illustrates perfectly how once a company goes bankrupt, the situation can quickly deteriorate into an "all bets are off" situation where every vendor, supplier and creditor essentially reverts to acting purely in their interests, and screw everyone else.
 
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RE: What Happens To Crews When Airlines Stops?

Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:50 am



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
And it's always possible you are stranded and have to put up your own money to get home. I imagine that was the case with Skybus

I know of at lease one airline that is offering free travel for stranded employees and non- revs back to CMH (at least until apr. 15th)
 
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RE: What Happens To Crews When Airlines Stops?

Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:17 am

Normally the airline ensures the Crew get a commercial ticket back home.

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RE: What Happens To Crews When Airlines Stops?

Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:04 pm

In my experience if an airline just suddenly goes out of business, then any crews left away from base are on their own, and even the crews trying to fly the aircraft back to base run into trouble because nobody , like fuel companies, will give them credit once they know that the mother company has gone bust.

However other airlines usually look kindly on the defunct airlines staff and help them to get home, often free of charge.

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RE: What Happens To Crews When Airlines Stops?

Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:42 pm



Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
every vendor, supplier and creditor essentially reverts to acting purely in their interests, and screw everyone else.

Like the airline that will end up paying pennies on the dollar for parts and services that these vendors have given to said defunct airline. The vendors will get screwed.

Something is got to give......because the employees already have. The entire airline industry is going down the tubes.
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