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190 Cargo Door Operation

Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:07 pm

I watched a US ramper have a really hard time getting the cargo door shut on a 190 last night... Eventually, he pulled the beltloader he was standing on away, reached into the cargo compartment, and retrieved some sort of pole with a hook which he used to grab onto the door and shut it. Is that pole standard equipment, or is it a US thing? And are the doors that hard to close, or was he just having trouble because he was (giving him the benefit of the doubt) new to working on the aircraft?
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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:33 pm

Yes, the pole is just beside the cargo door inside the cargo hold. One for each door.

If he was having trouble closing the door, it is because he did not unlock/unlatch the door from the open position. It sounds like he figured it out .... as you use the "pole" to do just that!  Smile
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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:07 pm

We call that the shepherd hook. It goes into an eye hole to twist and unlock the door, then pull it shut.
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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:43 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
We call that the shepherd hook

J...!!! We call that a 'Pimp Cain' Mack Daddy..!! Now do your Fat Man-Happy Dance

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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:01 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
J...!!! We call that a 'Pimp Cain' Mack Daddy..!! Now do your Fat Man-Happy Dance

HAHAHA!! I forgot about calling it the Pimp Cain!  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:51 pm

Any pictures of said implement? It seems to me that if Embraer did a good enough job of shrinking the design of the A320, they could've at least done a similar setup with the cargo doors (although, having to lay on one's back to open/close the door, a la the 320, would be awkward.)
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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:59 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Any pictures of said implement?

It looks just like a walking cane....and about the same size too. When the door fully open a latch on the upper hinge helps hold the door open. To close the door you insert the cane hook into the latch and twist to unlock. Pull down until you can grab the handle, stow the cane.. close and lock the door.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
they could've at least done a similar setup with the cargo doors

Why over design it...? Its a simple system that works..........If you want to do some digging.. when jetBlue first got their E190, A.net member 'Candais'....( I think that right) posted some pictures of the Ramp Crew getting train on its use.

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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:34 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
Why over design it...? Its a simple system that works..........If you want to do some digging.. when jetBlue first got their E190, A.net member 'Candais'....( I think that right) posted some pictures of the Ramp Crew getting train on its use.

The A320 door is definitely more complex as (IIRC) they are hydraulically driven which would require actuators and stuff which not only increases the complexity of the door system but adds weight and MX costs.
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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:03 pm



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
It seems to me that if Embraer did a good enough job of shrinking the design of the A320

Since we had to multiply all the A320 dimensions by 0.6, we ran out of engineering capability and had to use a simpler door. Sorry.

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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:40 pm



Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 8):
More respect for other people's work is in order.

Easy there. I never said it was a BAD design.
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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Thu May 01, 2008 12:01 am



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):

Easy there. I never said it was a BAD design

Don't worry too much...it's a Latecoere design......not EMB
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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Thu May 01, 2008 5:16 pm



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
It seems to me that if Embraer did a good enough job of shrinking the design of the A320

Not too much in common with the A320. The fuselage on the E190 is a double bubble design which is completely different than the A320.  wink 
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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Thu May 01, 2008 6:12 pm



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 11):
Not too much in common with the A320.

I know they are both clean-sheet designs. I was just playing on the running joke that everyone calls it a "Baby Bus."
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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Thu May 01, 2008 6:41 pm



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 1):
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If he was having trouble closing the door, it is because he did not unlock/unlatch the door from the open position. It sounds like he figured it out .... as you use the "pole" to do just that!

Is this similiar to the B737 cargo door open position latch.
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RE: 190 Cargo Door Operation

Thu May 01, 2008 10:27 pm



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 12):
I know they are both clean-sheet designs. I was just playing on the running joke that everyone calls it a "Baby Bus."

Ah, gotcha. I never heard it called that.
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