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Low Door On L-1011?

Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:10 pm

Hi, everyone. Recently I checked out a book on the L-1011 from my library. In all the pictures of the starboard side, there appears to be a door just ahead of the wing root. What's up with that, and what is it for? Thanks for any info.
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:50 pm

Tristars had a lower level galley. The lower level door swung up and in and was routinely used for galley service.
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:05 pm

The small door on the starboard (right) side of the L-1011, just forward of the wing root, is called the S-2 door, it provides access to the "mid electrical service center" (MESC) and opens inward. The S-2 door is in the fuselage under the fuselage to wing fairing, there is a hinged panel in the fairing that allows access to the door.
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:57 am

On the -100 series the galley was a lower deck galley where all catering supplies are located. Its the galley service door. the -500 series had FWD and AFT galleys on the main deck.
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:27 pm



Quoting N587NK (Reply 3):
the -500 series had FWD and AFT galleys on the main deck.

I see the AFT one, but no the FWD one:


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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:39 pm



Quoting N587NK (Reply 3):
On the -100 series the galley was a lower deck galley where all catering supplies are located. Its the galley service door. the -500 series had FWD and AFT galleys on the main deck.

The galley door is further forward and higher on the side of the fuselage than the S-2 Door. The S-2 door is in the same location on both the -1 series and -500's. The main reason for the S-2 door is for access to the mid electrical service center and to allow for removal and replacement of the battery.

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This picture shows the location of the S-2 (pressure) door and the fairing door.
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:50 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 5):
This picture shows the location of the S-2 (pressure) door and the fairing door.

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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:29 am



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 4):


Quoting N587NK (Reply 3):
the -500 series had FWD and AFT galleys on the main deck.

I see the AFT one, but no the FWD one:

You won't find a galley service door on -500 series airplanes, as there arent' any...maindeck galleys are serviced from the maindeck, via the pax entry doors.
In addition, some long body TriStars don't have any galley service doors either, as some came equipped with no lower galleys.
BA -200's come to mind.

Customer option.
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:26 am



Quoting 411A (Reply 7):
You won't find a galley service door on -500 series airplanes, as there arent' any...maindeck galleys are serviced from the maindeck, via the pax entry doors.

Correct!

Quoting 411A (Reply 7):
In addition, some long body TriStars don't have any galley service doors either, as some came equipped with no lower galleys.
BA -200's come to mind.

Not correct!

All long body L-1011's were delivered with below floor galleys, there were no options. BA had Lockheed develop a series of service bulletins (called the Sunset Three Mod) that removed the below floor galley and extended the forward cargo compartment into the area vacated by the below floor galley. New galleys were located in the main cabin. When this modification was accomplished the galley door was deactivated and skinned over. Below are two photos of the same aircraft, pre and post mod. These modifications were accomplished several years after delivery.


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After modificaton door skinned over.
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:35 am



Quoting 474218 (Reply 8):
Not correct!

Opps, I stand corrected!

Now, regarding pax entry doors, some L1011 standard body airplanes were delivered with large rear entry doors, which were fully electrically operated, and allowed a max seating capacity of...400.

I wonder if 474218 will agree with this?
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:49 am



Quoting 411A (Reply 9):
Now, regarding pax entry doors, some L1011 standard body airplanes were delivered with large rear entry doors, which were fully electrically operated, and allowed a max seating capacity of...400.

I agree. But 400 seats required 10 abreast seating with 30" seat pitch, not really my idea of comfort.
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:32 am



Quoting 411A (Reply 9):
Now, regarding pax entry doors, some L1011 standard body airplanes were delivered with large rear entry doors, which were fully electrically operated, and allowed a max seating capacity of...400.

Yes all the BA L1011 had this option. Look at the picture in post 8. They were used when the aircraft was flown in a charter config from LGW by BAs Charter airline (called BA Airtours or Caledonian amongst other names). I think they had 398 seats.
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:06 pm



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 11):
Yes all the BA L1011 had this option. Look at the picture in post 8. They were used when the aircraft was flown in a charter config from LGW by BAs Charter airline (called BA Airtours or Caledonian amongst other names). I think they had 398 seats.

Court Lines (model 193K), British Airways (193N) and British Air Tours (293C) all had eight (8) type A doors. Total of 19 aircraft.

To sell aircraft in the 70's it was common for the manufactures to build aircraft in many different configurations. Another example of this is the Pan Am (193Y) and LTU (193J) -500's which do not have a C-3 cargo door.
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:13 pm

BA 's charter subsidiary -British Airtours- had 393 seats: 16 hours from LGW to LAX via BGR. Cheap, but not my idea of fun!
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:50 am

474218, as always a wealth of Tristar information. But,

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
do not have a C-3 cargo door.

what occupied the C3 cargo area? Extra LD3?
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:32 am



Quoting ReidYYZ (Reply 14):
what occupied the C3 cargo area? Extra LD3?

The C-3 is for bulk cargo only. The Pan Am and LTU -500's had a removal panel in the C-2 aft bulkhead and they manually loaded the C-3 through the C-2 door. Since the panel was on the right hand side they they had access to the C-3 untill the last LD-3 was loaded in the C-2 compartment.

Thank you for the kind words, I spent over half my line working with the TriStar in many different capacities.
 
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RE: Low Door On L-1011?

Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:55 am

WG had the ex-PSA machines, and to save money (on the cost of LD3 containers) the owner had the cargo loading equipment removed from the C2. The bags were hand-bombed in.
And up to the end in '90, the lower lounge still had the retro-bogie-dance-party wall paper. That was fun to see.

To have the C3 door was a great thing especially when the C2 door elex were out of service and you didn't want to fight the panels to hand crank from outside.


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Reid

Quoting 474218 (Reply 15):
I spent over half my life working with the TriStar

your basement/garage/home office must be filled with all kinds of neat things.

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