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Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:12 am

I started this topic in the Civil Section and got no response so I thought I would try here.

I was monitoring the Popes departure from JFK today and noticed his flight is landing at Ciampino instead of Fiumicino. I was not aware that airport could handle such a large aircraft. I know the plane is practically empty, but don't you think one would want a little more stopping distance, or is 2207 meters enough?
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:24 am

Having personally landed an L1011 there (three times at least), I wouldn't expect other heavies would have a particular problem, so long as the landing weight is within reason, and the wind is favorable for the active runway.
 
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:33 am



Quoting 411A (Reply 1):

Thanks for the input. One more question ? Did you feel safe landing such a large airplane their ?
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:37 am

411A,

The L-1011 and DC-10 despite their size, were designed to be able to operate out of 5,000 - 6,000 foot runways with full passenger loads, (not full overall weight) at least the L-1011-1, DC-10-10/DC-10-15 and probably the L-1011-200 could.


BTW: What kind of plane was the Pope flying on? Being that it operated out of Ciampino.


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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:51 am

He was on a Alitalia 777-200
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:19 pm



Quoting NightFlier (Reply 4):
He was on a Alitalia 777-200

The 772 has no issues land on that runway length. Thats what Air Europe PE did at SXM which is another 200 meters shorter after non-stop fully loaded flights (pax wise) from MXP. Even the 744 lands there fully loaded with pax.

Autobrakes 4 will give the necessary decelleration required for a safe stop on both flights.

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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:59 pm



Quoting NightFlier (Reply 2):
One more question ? Did you feel safe landing such a large airplane their ?

I'm going to assume 411A felt perfectly safe because his landing distance calculations told him that there wasn't a problem. If nothing else, there's a 50% pad factor in the calculations.

As I understand it, landing on a "short" runway should be "challenging", not "dangerous".  Wink
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:54 am

OK if you all say so, thanks for the input

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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:22 am

I can't believe I asked what plane it was, and it was right in the thread-title!

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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:37 am



Quoting NightFlier (Reply 2):
Thanks for the input. One more question ? Did you feel safe landing such a large airplane their ?

No problem whatsoever.
However, takeoffs to the south (IIRC) are somewhat weight restricted, due to obstacles.
 
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:00 am

Think of it this way, OGG is the shortest or 2nd Shortest T7 airport in the world or at least for UAL. And LIRA has about 1300 feet more of runway then OGG does.
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:37 am

I believe Ciampino is the normal alternate for many international carriers into FCO.

(It is for CX who flies A343s and 744s to FCO, for instance)
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:00 am



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 11):
I believe Ciampino is the normal alternate for many international carriers into FCO.

(It is for CX who flies A343s and 744s to FCO, for instance)

Correct
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:46 pm



Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):

Correct

If you dont mind Zeke,

I was wondering about your SYD diversions. Do you also take CBR like KE do, or is it BNE for you?

Thanks in advance!

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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:39 pm



Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 13):

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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:55 pm



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 11):
I believe Ciampino is the normal alternate for many international carriers into FCO.

Yes, UAL pilots at least carry the ILS plates and the Airport diagram. I would assume others do as well but I only have knowledge of UAL.
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:31 pm



Quoting 411A (Reply 9):

This is because of the hills that are directly in front ?
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RE: Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:21 am



Quoting NightFlier (Reply 16):
This is because of the hills that are directly in front ?

As I recall, yes.
Departues in the other direction, not generally a problem, if the wind is favorable.

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