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Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sat May 31, 2008 9:48 am

Working Night shifts in Mx.What are the timings for Duty breaks to have a snack.
Is it fixed or anytime as long as theres no Aircraft related work.
out here its the latter.Just curious to know about other places.

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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sat May 31, 2008 2:42 pm

I start at 7:00 pm (shiftleader), together with another licenced engineer (we always have at least two licenced engineers on duty). I check the scheduled work planned for the night and if all materials / tools are available, if not I contact maintrol to push a scheduled task (if it is running out) or to send us the necessary stuff ASAP.
The first nightstops arrive after 10:00 pm, but sometimes we have a nightstop already in the early evening. We have one mechanic from dayshift until 9:00 pm, but there will be only two of us until the nightshift mechanics start at 10:00 pm. I allocate the aircraft and scheduled work to the different mechanics (the CAT A mechanics can sign for routine work like daily checks and stuff like wheel or brake changes), I like to keep the licenced engineers (on shift usualy myself, plus another B1 and sometimes a B2) for more serious non-routine work, like advanced troubleshooting.
At around 1:00 am we have all planes in and all daily checks have been carried out. The mechanics report to me if they found any snags or have crew write-ups.
It all gets written up on a big whiteboard in our line office, so that everybody knows which work is still open, who is doing what and what has been finished (I have to copy this later into a shift report for my bosses).
After the guys reported in we go for a break, usually between 30 minutes and 45 minutes (the mechanics work 8 hours shifts and get 30 minutes deducted from their salaries for break, while I, with a 12 hour shift, get 45 minutes deducted).
After the break we go back on the line and do the work. Everything, including paperwork should latest be finished by 4:45 am, because the first crews will arrive at 5:00 for their preflight briefings and have to know the status (HIL items, deferrals etc.) of their aircraft for their preflight, a computer printout with the operational status of the fleet based at our airport will be hung in the crew briefing room before they arrive.
When everything is finished, we go into the terminal for another cup of coffee / tea, before opening up the aircraft, pre-flighting them and handing them over to the crews (about 30 minutes before flight).
During dayshift, breaktime is whenever there is no work to be done.

Jan

[Edited 2008-05-31 07:54:51]
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sat May 31, 2008 8:15 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
During dayshift, breaktime is whenever there is no work to be done.

How "busy" would you say you are on an average shift? Are you constantly pressed to finish up by 5AM or do you usually get things done with time to spare?
 
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:22 am

Where I work. The night shift starts at 9 pm. Lunch is at 1am til 2 am. Lunch break can be shorted to an half hour if the workload is heavy but rare.
 
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:53 am



Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):

Our night-shifts used to go from 1800 to 0600. Unless the aircraft had to go first thing next morning, we used to knock off at about 0200 and get some kip. Dinner was at about 2000. On most occasions, we would then also leave by 0515 or 0530. If the aircraft was going first thing the next morning, we would try and have it all wrapped up by about 0530.

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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:29 pm



Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 2):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
During dayshift, breaktime is whenever there is no work to be done.

How "busy" would you say you are on an average shift? Are you constantly pressed to finish up by 5AM or do you usually get things done with time to spare?

Two, three years ago, with 6 aircraft based at our station, we often used to be finished around 3 :00- 4:00 am, but now we have 11 - 13 aircraft here at night, but essentially the same manpower. It keeps us quite busy, especially since we have the reputation of being able to T/S faults and to fix them, so the airline regularly swaps planes with open HIL items / deferrals into our station to fix them. We are expected to close deferrals and not to swap a plane somwhere else. Often we can't get the paperwork finished by the expected time, and I had instances, when I was just finishing up on the aircraft when the crew arrived.
I like to have some time to spare for unforeseen snags. Like, when I take over a nightshift (I usualy do 5 in a row), we work hard, especially on scheduled stuff, for the first 2-3 days (working ahead, so that the scheduled work is carried out 2-3 days ahead of drop dead), and then have it (theoretically) a bit easier for the last few days, but my main reason is that I don't want to push scheduled work until the last day and then get caught by an AOG additionally to the scheduled work. I'd rather get the scheduled work done when I have sufficient manpower.

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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:21 pm

Work 3rd shift 2245 to 0715. Line maintenance. We get a 12.5 minute break at 0100-ish and 0500-ish. Dinner ( 30 minutes ) can be taken anywhere from 0230 to 0330. That's just "on paper" really. We really just try to plan these breaks around what's going on with our workload and we get along with local management fairly well. You generally try to take breaks when one gets to a good stopping point on a plane's task(s) or parts availability....or maybe some impending bad weather ( I'd rather get the outside stuff done first while I can ) I might have a drink of water and eat a piece of fruit in the 1st few hours as I'm working, then wait till we get a handle on what's going on before eating dinner. I'd ( and most I know ) would rather have most of the major work done first, then after dinner it's just small finishing tasks and paperwork/computer record entries, and taxiing the plane to the gate if it has a "first bank" departure.

Some nights we're so busy that if you don't grab a quick bite to eat, you never will. Some will wait till the very end. As I've said before, we all get along pretty well, and the supervisors ( and shift manager ) breathe collective sighs of relief when all aircraft are done and moved and all paperwork and computer entries are made ( I've never seen such weight put on stats...it's got a life of its own ) As long as things are complete, there's no clock watching and "bird-dogging" as to break/dinner times and whatnot.

[Edited 2008-06-01 12:30:52]
 
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:26 am



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
After the guys reported in we go for a break, usually between 30 minutes and 45 minutes (the mechanics work 8 hours shifts and get 30 minutes deducted from their salaries for break, while I, with a 12 hour shift, get 45 minutes deducted

So is it that if someone does not take a break,there is no deduction in salary.

Quoting JetMech (Reply 4):
we used to knock off at about 0200 and get some kip.

In the last 11 yrs of night shifts,never had an opportunity of resting,although sometimes there are free time due work completion earlier,but one is jjust too alert thinking of the morning departures to be relaxed  Smile

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
I like to have some time to spare for unforeseen snags

Noticed that the tendency for a last minute snag is always around.

Compared to Line Mx of 2300-0800hrs or until the last of the 4 aircraft leave [2 B737 & 2 B757],5 nights/week,major Mx has it easier as theres work on at a fixed pace.

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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:02 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
After the guys reported in we go for a break, usually between 30 minutes and 45 minutes (the mechanics work 8 hours shifts and get 30 minutes deducted from their salaries for break, while I, with a 12 hour shift, get 45 minutes deducted

So is it that if someone does not take a break,there is no deduction in salary.

The break will be deducted from our salary anyway (by law), no matter if we take it or not.

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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:21 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 8):
The break will be deducted from our salary anyway (by law), no matter if we take it or not.

OK.But then why do the company mention the Break deduction,rather than the total salary?
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:28 pm

When I worked overnights it was very rare to actually get a break where you could sit down and put your feet up. Most times lunch was eaten over a period of time at my box. Our planes would arrive at the hangar from 9pm-11pm and had to be ready by 4-6am. If weather delayed the in-bounds, they still had to be ready for on-time in the morning, so on those nights you had little time for even bathroom breaks.
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:03 am

Hi Mel,
ive worked in both line and base maintenance. The way ive always found line maintenance is that you eat when you can because you never know whats around the corner, of course you have to be suitably refreshed with tea and coffee as and when required, so line ive never known to have regimented tea breaks.
Base maintenance however, in a 12 hour shift we had two 15 minute breaks and one 1/2 hour break. Each hangars tea breaks were staggered so we werent all in the crew room at the same time.
I prefer line maintenance in a sense because you are your own boss, ultimately you report to the shift leader in the end but nobody is going to tell you to get up and do something, you manage your time wisely and plan to have enough time to eat and do paperwork.
 
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:53 am



Quoting A/c train (Reply 11):
I prefer line maintenance

Unlike Major Mx which is Fixed & slow paced,Line Mx is a jerky ride.
When theres no Aircraft on the Tarmac its relaxed & slow, as soon as the birds arrive,its a fast paced work.
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:28 am

Another related query.
Are there any folks from Mx out here that work both Line & Major simultaneously or is it a long posting in any one position for a fixed duration?
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:32 pm

At our station, BOS, it is up to us when we take lunch. Most take a lunch break somewhere in the 1-3 am window. Sometimes it just depends on what you are doing. Many of us also tend to go up into the terminal after 5 am to get a fresh coffee. That is when the vendors open. Their coffee is better than the stuff in our break room. When I worked overhaul we had defined break and lunch times. Usually there was a quick crew meeting after the first break.
 
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:26 am

Where at our end of BOS, we take lunch when our work is done, unless we have a bad night or a Rudder Rig on a 757, we are ususally done by 3 am, so as long as all the planes are done and the books are closed and MEL's cleared, we are done and free to take lunch or other things as lng as we aren't breaking company rules.

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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:42 am



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 15):
we take lunch when our work is done

That would mean no food till the job is done.
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:42 am



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 16):
That would mean no food till the job is done

No that means no LUNCH, doesn't mean no raiding the galleys.

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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:13 pm



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 17):
No that means no LUNCH, doesn't mean no raiding the galleys.

I knew working on freighters had some disvantage.... Smile
When I worked commercial earlier,the last flight of the day had a lot of food on board before the catering department arrived & they always were late.
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:56 pm

To all mechanics/techs/engineers:

Thank you so much for the work you do. We always know that the safety of our aircraft is a product of your handiwork, and we appreciate it. It's uncommon to get a venue ideal to mention this, but I thought I'd take the time to say thanks!

Happy Thanksgiving!
 
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RE: Night Shift Duty Breaks

Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:35 am

I guess in an Airline,every department has to do their bit for a successfull day/night to be ensured.
currently after shifting from the Domestic to International Tarmac,Getting time for food has been a problem.....I solved it temp by filling my pockets with some dry fruits/dates  Smile
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