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B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:12 pm

Hey there,

just saw the "new" Kalitta 747 Freighter, which is a converted ex-Malaysia aircraft.
Of course, as ex-pax airplane, it has its normal length 747 upperdeck and i wonder what it is used for? Parcels? Bulk freight?

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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:23 pm



Quoting NicoEDDF (Thread starter):
just saw the "new" Kalitta 747 Freighter, which is a converted ex-Malaysia aircraft.
Of course, as ex-pax airplane, it has its normal length 747 upperdeck and i wonder what it is used for? Parcels? Bulk freight?

IIRC, the on the conversion the upper deck is from the aft of the upper deck doors forward. The upper deck is used for any freight, either bulk or parcel.
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:37 pm



Quoting NicoEDDF (Thread starter):
just saw the "new" Kalitta 747 Freighter, which is a converted ex-Malaysia aircraft.
Of course, as ex-pax airplane, it has its normal length 747 upperdeck and i wonder what it is used for? Parcels? Bulk freight?

If the conversion was done by Boeing then the u/d floor ends aft of the doors. The forward portion will have a lav, a galley and overhead stow bins. It can also include seats and/or bunks depending on the customer configuration.

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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:34 am

So basically you can stack higher under the back of the hump.
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:48 am

Yet another plane I would love to see a Mike Badroke drawing of.
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:31 am

Thanks guys for the answers  Smile
 
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:41 pm



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
So basically you can stack higher under the back of the hump.

Once you get past the upper deck floor beams your got more headroom all the way back.

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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:49 pm

Actually, I've never seen any cargo go upstairs on our 744CF. We have 12 lie flat seats, a galley, a lav and a bunk area with two beds. The area right behind the exit doors upstairs is empty. The flooring has been removed and there is a door there. At the top of the ladder to the upper deck, there is a door that acts as the smoke barrier that prevents fumes and smoke from entering from the main deck should there be a fire or leak of any hazmat.

Hope that helps...
 
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:18 pm



Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 7):
We have 12 lie flat seats, a galley, a lav and a bunk area with two beds

Thanks, but why so many lie flats?
Are the freighters flying so long rotations to be in need of so many rest area?
 
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:56 am

It is a former MH aircraft, and to put in different seats would have required a recertification of the aircraft with new seats...whereas if we just left the MH seats on it, no new certificate was needed. How they came to the number that we have, I don't know...

However, I can say that on some of the flights I've seen 4 pilots in the cockpit, 2 mechanics, one loadmaster and two other pilots in the cabin, so the seats are being used.
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:43 am

forgive my ignorance, but what does "B744F/BFC " refer to? a Boeing 747-444? What's BFC? Is there a list somewhere that gives all these terms?
 
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:09 am



Quoting Xerses (Reply 10):
forgive my ignorance, but what does "B744F/BFC " refer to? a Boeing 747-444? What's BFC? Is there a list somewhere that gives all these terms?

A 747-400F is a 747 built as a freighter by Boeing. A 747-400BCF is a "Boeing Converted Freighter". It began life as a 747-400 passenger aircraft and then was converted to a freighter using Boeing modifications.

A reasonable overview is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400

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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:40 am



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
So basically you can stack higher under the back of the hump.

No, you can't.
The flight control cables travel through the upper deck floor, and are not repositioned. The aft half of the upper deck cabin isn't furnished with anything, to save the weight.

JAL's 744-BCF aircraft have 12 business class seats upstairs, and a galley just aft of the exit doors. aft of that is just a wall, with blowout doors.

But you don't get any more headroom.
 
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:18 am



Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 9):
It is a former MH aircraft, and to put in different seats would have required a recertification of the aircraft with new seats...whereas if we just left the MH seats on it, no new certificate was needed. How they came to the number that we have, I don't know...

However, I can say that on some of the flights I've seen 4 pilots in the cockpit, 2 mechanics, one loadmaster and two other pilots in the cabin, so the seats are being used.


Theres a shot of what the cabin looks like.

Man you guys are really lucky that you got to keep those new MH Business class seats!

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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:55 am



Quoting Xerses (Reply 10):
a Boeing 747-444?

The first 4 (444) refers to the specific series - in this case the 747-400. The last two 4's is the designated customer code, which was introduced by Boeing in order to identify the first owner of the plane. In this case 44 = South African Airways.
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:51 am



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
But you don't get any more headroom.

I see. Thanks.
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RE: B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use

Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:25 am



Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 13):
Is the AVOD still powered during flight?

The TV's are still there, but they do not work. The system was taken out during the conversion. So its just like any other freighter in our fleet, except the seats are much nicer, and there is loads more room.

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