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Civil Aircraft Doors

Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:21 pm

This is a silly question, but I would like to find out an answer to it:

Do big passenger jets have locks on the doors? Locks that require a key to be opened from the outside.

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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:34 pm

No they do not....................
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:39 pm

I'm not aware of any that do. Generally they're kept in a pretty secure area, so there is little need for locks.
 
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:27 am



Quoting Oasis (Thread starter):
Do big passenger jets have locks on the doors? Locks that require a key to be opened from the outside.



Quoting Oasis (Thread starter):
No they do not....................

I've never seen locks on a passenger jet... They do get seals on the door occasionally so the crew would know if the jets been tampered with....

Exterior handle on the C-130 crew door has holes for a padlock and I've seen it used that way on a number of occasions...
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:44 am



Quoting Oasis (Thread starter):
Do big passenger jets have locks on the doors? Locks that require a key to be opened from the outside.

Not normally. I know of at least one 737-BBJ that has them, but it was a non-Boeing mod done by the owner and a special item.

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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:44 am

The AN-12 and IL 76 have a big lock and big key...
 
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:06 pm

WN being my second airline I have never seen them. Not only are RON aircraft generally either remote parked (requiring a jetway to even access the door) but if they're left at the jetway then generally the jetway is pulled back too far to access the aircraft; and the jetway does have a key.
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:08 pm



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3):
Quoting Oasis (Thread starter):
No they do not....................

I've never seen locks on a passenger jet... They do get seals on the door occasionally so the crew would know if the jets been tampered with....

I have worked for three airlines and have never seen them; I am confident they are not OEM equipment on any common large airliner. Our aircraft DO get seals put on the doors and access panels when overnighting at an International station. They are "Tamper Evident" but by no means "Tamper Proof". Hope this helps!  Smile
 
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:15 pm

Where I worked it was generally assumed that when the aircraft were left alone at night they were safe, because if you know how to get onto airside, open the door, and find a way to get up and in that you probably worked there.

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 6):
(requiring a jetway to even access the door)

no Airstairs then? I know with our 737s getting on without a jetway was easy, basically just go to the little panel below and slightly aft of the main entry door, pull and twist the handle, then hold it there until the stairs are done...


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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:57 am



Quoting Oasis (Thread starter):
Do big passenger jets have locks on the doors? Locks that require a key to be opened from the outside.

I've seen locks for the baggage compartments on the IL-62.

The three times I had to turn that airplane we had to wait for the navigator to come down and open the bin up for us.
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:57 am



Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 8):
no Airstairs then? I know with our 737s getting on without a jetway was easy, basically just go to the little panel below and slightly aft of the main entry door, pull and twist the handle, then hold it there until the stairs are done...

At one time yes, WN did have integral airstairs on the -200's and -300's but they are no longer in use (they were removed).
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:54 am



Quoting COSPN (Reply 5):

The AN-12 and IL 76 have a big lock and big key...

Any pics.

Todays modern day Airliners do not have a lock on the door.Out here gate security is adequate & for longer duration storage a security seal is in place,if broken,necessitates a thorough security check.

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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:02 pm

Nope no locks. Feel like stealing an airliner? Get a job on an airport with that gives you ramp clearance. On the right airport you just might get away with it. As Massport has increased the screening on airport employees I've taken a closer look at what a terrorist with an airport ID could do. Personally I think that on many nights it is possible to steal an airliner. The ones that are remote parked are the most at risk.
 
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:01 am



Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 12):
Personally I think that on many nights it is possible to steal an airliner. The ones that are remote parked are the most at risk

Out here.All Aircraft on Servicable duty are security guarded at halts.
Long storage Aircraft have obstructions in their path.

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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:13 pm

I photographed an MD-87 that once belonged to Austrian Airlines...although it was converted to a private ship, the door lock installation appeared to be a factory installation...j
 
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:46 pm



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 14):
I photographed an MD-87 that once belonged to Austrian Airlines...although it was converted to a private ship, the door lock installation appeared to be a factory installation...j

One of the reasons you'll hear from past DAC employees for their demise is that Douglas would option anything for any operator on any aircraft.
There are, indeed, a number of aircraft out there that had door locks retrofitted during the finishing/delivery phase of construction at Long Beach.
I've seen a few overseas delivered T-tails with car type lock mechanisms integral to the external door handles and maintenance access doors.
I recall one aircraft that went to Brazil that had these locks installed on every door on the plane, even the water service door.
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:49 pm



Quoting Avioniker (Reply 15):

I had to shoot a lear45 for a client and the pilot went home and took the key with him so obviously i couldn't get in to shoot the interior. Well I have about thirty keys on my key ring, the one that opens my boat, opened the learjet...good thing I owned a boat!...was able to complete job and get paid...j
 
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:22 pm



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 16):
the one that opens my boat, opened the learjet...

When I worked on a lot of private aircraft, my toolbox key would open 90% of all Cessnas.
As for bigger stuff, I recall one F28 that had a modified access door that covered the controls for the cabin door. It was setup for a padlock, but in reality it would have been very easy to open with handtools. Most security setups I've seen are not geared towards theft, but rather stopping smugglers from using an unsuspecting company to transport contraband.
 
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:59 pm

Museum Aircraft have Locks and Keys but that is about it.

The rest of the worlds civil aircraft do not require Locks and Keys Normaly as they are out of Reach Behind Fences and Security Systems that some Fedral Prisons would Envy.
 
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:58 pm

Bae146/RJ aircraft carried on a DeHavilland tradition of having locks on all doors and access to avionics bay, cargo bays etc. Same on the Comet and 125 series aircraft (all the same key number as well) Nobody seemed to lock them though except maybe the military.
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RE: Civil Aircraft Doors

Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:13 am

I read somewhere that Boeing delivers each new A/C with a key, out of tradition. However, A/C, of course, do not have keyholes.
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