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Can He Go In? ( MD-11 That Is )

Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:21 am

I was walking around HEL the other day waiting for my connection to KUO when I saw this:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l193/OHLHD/IMG_0385.jpg

He then went closer:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l193/OHLHD/IMG_0387.jpg

and then disappeared but I did not see if he went inside the engine.



So my question:

Is it possible to go inside?  

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Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:40 pm

What an AMAZING picture.

Really shows you the size of those things.
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Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:03 pm



Quoting OHLHD (Thread starter):
Is it possible to go inside?

Oh yeah it is possible easily and have a nice walk in there. From outside you can see a small area where the engines gets a little smaller in the diameter. That's about where the engine actually starts. There is the fan area and the rest of it is being. I think it's about 5 meters until the fan blades are there.
But a nice view from up there. Was standing there myself once  cloudnine 

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Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:55 pm

Is there no access door into the MD11 intake?. On the L1011 we had a small hatch so we could go in there from the engine bay. If you were brave, and had sticky soled shoes, you could then run up the S duct to the intake-
 
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Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:00 pm



Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 3):
If you were brave, and had sticky soled shoes, you could then run up the S duct to the intake-

Did it have vortex generators like the 727 did?
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Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:30 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 3):
Is there no access door into the MD11 intake?. On the L1011 we had a small hatch so we could go in there from the engine bay. If you were brave, and had sticky soled shoes, you could then run up the S duct to the intake-

You can open the engine cowling somehow.


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Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:56 pm



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
Did it have vortex generators like the 727 did?

Lockheed does not use vortex generators, they design the aircraft to work properly without them.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 5):

You can open the engine cowling somehow.

Opening the cowls does not provide access to the fan.

Quoting OHLHD (Thread starter):
He then went closer:

and then disappeared but I did not see if he went inside the engine.

So my question:

Is it possible to go inside?

What the mechanic is going into is the inlet duct, the engine is located aft of the letter "R" in the first picture. Like I said above the only way to get the the fan blades is through the inlet duct.
 
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Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:07 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
the engine is located aft of the letter "R"

Actually the "R" is on the Fan Cowl covering the Fan/Low Pressure Compressor Module of the engine. The next cowl aft of the "R" is the Reverser Half.

The Tristar needed the door in the S duct because it wasn't too safe to go in from the inlet and worm your way down the incline. Too steep and often a bit too slick. I'm afraid I've left a bit too much skin in too many doing FOD checks over the years.

I definitely prefer the DC/MD inlet inspection for ease and view

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Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:33 am

You could do that in ENG 2 on a B727 as well - there was an access door from the bay with the aft airstairs. There is a light (S/Os aux panel I believe) called ENG 2 ACCESS DR, lit in red, when that door access door is open.
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Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:13 am



Quoting Avioniker (Reply 7):
I definitely prefer the DC/MD inlet inspection for ease and view

Maybe if you had a cherry picker.
But on the Tristar you only needed a set of steps, pax steps would do on an outstation. You could open the access panel in the lower left cowl and climb in, then open the S duct access door and climb in there. No need to borrow special equipment.
 
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Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:43 am



Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 9):
Maybe if you had a cherry picker.
But on the Tristar you only needed a set of steps, pax steps would do on an outstation. You could open the access panel in the lower left cowl and climb in, then open the S duct access door and climb in there. No need to borrow special equipment.

Wow...any pics in the access or inside the S duct itself?
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Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:08 am

This is the best I could come up with in short notice:

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Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:57 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Lockheed does not use vortex generators, they design the aircraft to work properly without them.

Very, very quick and smart reply my friend.. made me laugh...
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Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:58 pm



Quoting Avioniker (Reply 7):
Too steep and often a bit too slick.

Why is it slick? I figure it would be pretty much scoured clean by the airflow.
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Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:55 pm

Many thanks for your reply!

Learned something new again!  Smile
 
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:50 am



Quoting OzTech (Reply 12):
Very, very quick and smart reply my friend.. made me laugh...

May have made you laugh, but its true. I worked on Lockheed aircraft 37 of my sixty two years and know of only one instance were they used vortex generators. L-1011-500's built for British Airways have vortex generators on the outboard wing. The CAA insisted on them even though Lockheed showed the CAA that they were not required during flight testing. No other L-1011 has them.


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Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:36 am

One thing you could count on in a DC-10 or MD-11 if there was a problem it was going to be on the #2 guaranteed.
 
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:15 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 15):
The CAA insisted on them even though Lockheed showed the CAA that they were not required during flight testing. No other L-1011 has them

Thay just about sums up the insular mentality of the CAA... Thank god for EASA....
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