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Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:24 pm

hey, quick question

why do window blinds have to stay open/up for takeoff and landing?

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(sorry if this has been asked before but i did do a search)
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:45 pm

Thousand billion times asked before,
It's so you can see what's happening outside like if there is a fire and to adjust their eyes to the dark or brightness
 
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:01 pm

Interestingly enough,

My first encounter with this was my first trip on a non-US airline, SQ . I've never encountered this on US carriers before, either that or American flight attendants just aren't as uptight about enforcement of this particular rule  Wink
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:15 pm

Same reason why cabin lights are turned off for take off or landing, irrespective of the time of day.
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:57 pm

It's also required so rescue personnel can see into the cabin should the situation arise.
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:15 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
American flight attendants just aren't as uptight about enforcement of this particular rule

It is not an FAR in the US. Only exit windows MUST be up. However some airlines include it as a policy. Mine does as does Continental if I am remembering correctly. If the airline includes it in their manual then the FAA expects it to be enforced.
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:36 pm

thanks guys for answering

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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:28 am



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 5):
Only exit windows MUST be up.

Mmmmmmm...nope. Airline policy. First thing I do when I'm riding in back is close the window shade, regardless of what row I'm in.

Exit row window shade must be capable of being opened though, i.e. not stuck in the closed position.
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:52 am



Quoting Ralgha (Reply 7):
First thing I do when I'm riding in back is close the window shade, regardless of what row I'm in.

Any reason why you choose a window seat in the first place,If you don't utilize the view access.
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:38 am



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 7):
First thing I do when I'm riding in back is close the window shade, regardless of what row I'm in.

Any reason why you choose a window seat in the first place,If you don't utilize the view access.

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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:51 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Any reason why you choose a window seat in the first place,If you don't utilize the view access.

I choose it so I can lean against the wall while I sleep.

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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:28 am



Quoting Ralgha (Reply 10):
I choose it so I can lean against the wall while I sleep.

what about Taxi out & Landing  Smile
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:13 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
what about Taxi out & Landing

I'm asleep then too!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:38 pm

NWA flies from MSP to RAP (Rapid City,SD). Ellsworth AFB lies 6 mi NW of RAP. The RAP airport tends to blend in with the terrain. The rwy at Ellsworth sticks out like a sore thumb. A few years back a NWA crew landed at Ellsworth by mistake. The passengers were told to keep the blinds shut. Now when you check in w/ approach they tell ya that the base lies 6 mi N NW of the RAP airport.
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:43 pm



Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 13):
The passengers were told to keep the blinds shut. Now when you check in w/ approach they tell ya that the base lies 6 mi N NW of the RAP airport.

By whom, the flight crew, or the AFSP (Air Force Security Police?). Kinda wondering how an air force base handles an aircraft landing NORDO (No Radio) at the field...I wonder if they dialed the RAP tower and did a landline relay to talk with the flight crew when that happened, or if the NW crew did a mad scramble through their Jepp charts for the VHF tower frequency at Ellsworth  Wink
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:40 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
By whom, the flight crew, or the AFSP (Air Force Security Police?). Kinda wondering how an air force base handles an aircraft landing NORDO (No Radio) at the field...I wonder if they dialed the RAP tower and did a landline relay to talk with the flight crew when that happened, or if the NW crew did a mad scramble through their Jepp charts for the VHF tower frequency at Ellsworth

I'm not exactly sure how they handled it. I'd guess that upon roll-out seeing the B-1s, now knowing they were in the wrong place they would quickly find the tower freq. I think that RAP tower had a good visual on em and told Ellworth twr. I'm sure that there was a vechicle at the aircraft (it was an A319) as soon as it came to a stop. I did a search on their local newspaper but couldn't find anything, it seems like word about it sure got around quick.
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:25 pm



Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 15):
I did a search on their local newspaper but couldn't find anything, it seems like word about it sure got around quick.

News item re the NW incident.
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jun/22/nation/na-pilots22
 
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:08 am



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
News item re the NW incident.
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jun...ots22

Thanks. I've flown into RAP since my private pilot training and went to airshows at Ellsworth since my childhood days, so I never really thought about it. However I can see if I'd never flown in to the area, pop out of a cloud & see a runway I usually say hey there it is and land. A friend told me about turning on a final in a Cessna 150 (didn't land) realized where he was and poured the coals to it and went to RAP. I think he was on solo x- country (ppl training) at the time. I'm sure smaller planes probaly do it more than we hear about.
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:10 am



Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 17):
I'm sure smaller planes probaly do it more than we hear about.

Dozens of airliners have done it also. This site has a good list of "wrong airport" landings.
http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.html
 
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:25 am



Quoting Ralgha (Reply 12):
I'm asleep then too!

You seem like sleeping beauty,Hopefully you get up after chocks on  Smile
Don't the FA ask you to raise the shades ever on T/O or Landing.

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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:47 am



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
You seem like sleeping beauty,Hopefully you get up after chocks on
Don't the FA ask you to raise the shades ever on T/O or Landing.

Yep! I've never had any FA ask me to raise a shade in any phase of flight or taxi.
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RE: Window Blinds Up For T/o And Landing

Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:27 am



Quoting Ralgha (Reply 20):
Yep! I've never had any FA ask me to raise a shade in any phase of flight or taxi.

Lucky Pax.....Bad FA  wink 
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