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Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:06 pm

Lets say your a passenger stuck in coach during a transcontinental flight on an old L1011 and both pilots got really sick and passed out. Who would you rather have flying (you can only pick one)-

A) A Flight Attendant
B) A Flight Sim Geek
C) A A & P mechanic
D) A school teacher that flys RC airplanes on the weekends
E) A 12 year old kid with an IQ of 250
F) A retired Navy pilot who has cataracts and a stoma
G) A retired Army pilot who only flew helicopters (good health)
F) An astronaut monkey
H) An aeronautical professor with no pilot certificates
I) A dispatcher
J) A TRACON controller
K) A CFI with a migrane and a hernia
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:14 pm

Me. So, I suppose that would qualify as B.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:21 pm

Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
Lets say your a passenger stuck in coach during a transcontinental flight on an old L1011 and both pilots got really sick and passed out



I would have to say C. the mechanic, since I'm a mechanic. But what happened to the 65 year old flight engineer that is nursing a hang over. From being out at the Jet Strip all night.

David

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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:36 pm

Non of the above.

I would like the Flight engineer since most of the time young FEs had either a type rating or flew the plane in the sim  Wink
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:45 pm

I'd go with F, get the monkey to push the nose over and end things quick.

I'd rather die in a 50 foot deep crater than die slowly in a post crash fire when the flightsim geek slides the plane through the approach lights.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:12 pm



Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
Who would you rather have flying



Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
F) A retired Navy pilot who has cataracts and a stoma

Navy pilots can hit a carrier in the dark...even with cataracts I'm betting they can hit a lit and stationary airport. And the stoma isn't going to affect their ability to fly.

Tom.
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:17 am

What about Ted Striker??????? isn't he flying the plane?

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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:27 am



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 6):
What about Ted Striker??????? isn't he flying the plane?

No, no, no...

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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:06 am

I was going to add

L) Disgruntled ex-TWA pilot


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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:45 am



Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
C) A A & P mechanic

For this L1011 scenario, I pick C the mech.

Now if it were something newer (90s+), like a 737NG or A320, then I'd pick B, the flight sim geek.
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:15 pm

I'd also pick C as they probably have sim experience, and they will know about and where to find most of the systems that control will ask them to use to autoland if possible.

Anyone except the FS geek, have you seen the quality of FSX multiplayer landings???
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:02 pm

I'd fly it myself. Yes, I only have single engine experience, but I did successfully fly a KC-135 simulator to a good landing (which the instructor said few single engine pilots did the first time) so I figure with the help of a pilot on the ground I could get it on the ground in one piece.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:34 am

This is ridiculous. It's SO outrageous, that it almost belongs in the non-av forum. Except that it deals with airplanes.

All that said, pick C. Because I'm a mechanic, and I have enough training from Boeing (excuse me, ALTEON!!!) to feel confident with the aircraft... in an emergency.
Not to mention, I'm run and taxi qualified, to handling the airplane after landing would be a non issue, and I assume most other mechs are similarly capable.

So yeah, C, A&P.
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:36 am

Otto's obviously the first choice, but I'd have to say the Flight Sim Geek.

Or at least one who isn't still using Flight Sim '98.
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:28 am

Well in this particular case, I would go with any pilots on board who are non-reving or something, and if thats not possible then the flight engineer, and if thats not possible then the mechanic. But of course they would all be there to guide Ted, as we all know Ted Striker is the guy to fly...


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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:17 am

How about

L. An aDOTnetter who would fly around looking for a conveyor belt to land it on, and run out of gas and have to stay up there?

Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
stuck in coach

Well, as I would prefer that I fly to any of the above, we are going to get a whole new meaning of "stuck" in coach. I mean I'd have to be superglued to the biffy door not to go up and take over.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:34 am

I'm kinda bummed no one has picked A, but that's only because I'm pretty sure as a FA I could land the airplane if I had too. After I had exhausted all other resources of course, and no other more appropriate person was onboard.

As my first choice though I would pick C, those mechanics know the aircraft better than anyone, and between the two of us I'm 100% sure we would make it to the ground ok.
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:31 am



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
This is ridiculous. It's SO outrageous, that it almost belongs in the non-av forum. Except that it deals with airplanes.

But a hell of a lot of fun, anyway! We aren't allowed to have fun here?

I'm having trouble with a blind navy pilot and a healthy sim geek...

There are two seats. Can't the navy dude fly and the geek spot?
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:10 am

Left seat- B (The flight sim geek)
Right seat- C (The mechanic)
Flight Engineer Desk- its a tossup between the controller and the dispatcher. The controller would be good for runnin the radios, the dispatcher would be good at lookin at the fuel loads.
I'd put Ted Stricker in the jumpseat to keep an eye on the oil pressure. Smile I'd then request a dumptruck to get as many lamps on the runway as possible. Finally I'd request to have a Budwiser truck at the ready. Ya never know what you'll need.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:01 am



Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 18):
Finally I'd request to have a Budwiser truck at the ready. Ya never know what you'll need.

That and a truck full of fresh underwear.....
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:51 pm



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 16):
I'm pretty sure as a FA I could land the airplane if I had too

Surely you can't be serious!


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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:15 pm

Well after many years as a F/E I think I would go for him as my first choice, as he not only knows the aircraft technically , but has also been involved with the flight operation of that particular aircraft. He also will as a monitoring function have got used to the speed side of the aircraft such as flap, gear etc, and in many cases will have done regular training sessions in the sim as pilot flying the aircraft, and many especially in the USA will have some pilot qualifications.

The ideal combination would be the F/E in one pilot seat, and if there was one on board a pilot in the other seat, by this I mean a multi engine jet pilot ideally. The F/E could instruct on that particular a/c's requirements such as speed and rates of descent, whilst the pilot could use his tactile skills and experience to pole the thing around, especially in that last 200ft above the ground when every thing seems to get fast and tight  scared 

I always remember a pilot instructor saying to me , you F/Es make very good flight director pilots, but it always seem to start getting a bit hairy at around 100/200ft when you look out the window at the runway, and feel you must just do a little visual correction.

Anyway those days are gone so a pilot and a mechanic would be a good combination

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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:21 pm

Come on guys and girls, not enough people are picking the monkey, they have feelings too.  Big grin
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:51 pm



Quoting LY744 (Reply 20):
Surely you can't be serious!

He is serious, and dont call him shirley!

I would pick I, for ME for dispatcher. It wouldn't be a perfect on profile on target speed approach, but I think I could get it on the deck and walk away from the landing, provided that I got no irregulars or abnormals during the approach...
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:15 pm

Personally, I'd hope for the mechanic (preferably one who's taxi/run qualified). An F/E would be my next-best option.

In the absence of any qualified people, I'd offer to do it myself: I may not have any real-world flight experience, but I think that I know enough about what makes planes fly to at least get it on the ground. It would definately be helpful to have a filght sim geek in the right seat, simply to do tasks like tuning radios and such.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:00 pm



Quoting LY744 (Reply 20):
Surely you can't be serious!

Semi-serious, I did say "after I had exhausted all other resources of course, and no other more appropriate person was onboard".

I'm pretty sure I could do it if the circumstances required it. It may not be pretty, but if I had help from a pilot on the ground I would attempt it. It would be a better choice then the general public.
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:16 pm



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 25):
It would be a better choice then the general public.

That's my whole line of thinking: Some random Joe off the street with no idea on how to fly would most likely not be able to get back to an airport and land it.

We non-pilot a.netters still have some idea on how flying works and could take directions from ATC, figure out the basic systems, and hopefully at least get on solid ground.

Good example (and probably the most critical one): landing ... would you expect some random guy sitting in 11B to know the premise behind flaring? I'd bet that you'd end up with a nose-first landing.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:47 pm

I'm surprised no one picked

Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
G) A retired Army pilot who only flew helicopters (good health)

Someone who can safely fly helicopters, which are much harder to control, should be able to fly almost anything.
At the very least he'd probably know the most about aviation in general among the healthy people on the list.
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:32 pm

I'd rather be flying. I am *technically* type rated in a 737, plus I got my commercial license, multi, single, instrument, etc...

But if all this happened and I wasn't a pilot and everybody in the rest of the plane was your average joe, I'd go with K.

Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 16):
but that's only because I'm pretty sure as a FA I could land the airplane if I had too.

I'm not saying you couldn't, but I've met several F/As that barely new what plane they were on, and they'd start asking ME stuff I'd like to think an F/A should know, but after seeing how vague F/A training is on technical stuff after my internship with a major, I stand corrected.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:04 am

id pick the flightsim geek (me :P )

nowadays with the realistic handling and complex systems of such add-ons like PMDG and WILCO personally I think I would stand a lot better chance of landing the aircraft safley.

secondly, i think any passenger would be able to land the aircraft due to autopilot, the twr just tells the person which knob to turn which way until it gets to the right number, and same with ILS

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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:29 pm

G no question. Most heli pilots (all in military over here) have flown fixed wing. Theyll understand the avionics and have the spatial awareness to do better than the others. Followed by K then F.

Flight attendants arent as good as they think they will be, I've taken several in 74/77 sims!  Wow!. But they're not as bad as MSFS experts who have flown PMDG 747s and think theyll walk it. They seem to get disorientated by the lack of keyboard! Its far too different to real flying.

But add an L for Flight Simulator Engineers, they fly the things the whole time.

[Edited 2008-07-24 07:35:44]
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:32 pm

F and G one to the right and one to the left
 
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:41 pm

Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 30):
But add an L for Flight Simulator Engineers, they fly the things the whole time.

Sorry, they'll have to be "M" as "L" was used in reply #15

As a serious answer to an absurd question (not that there's anything wrong with that) I'd have to agree with:

Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 30):
G no question. Most heli pilots (all in military over here) have flown fixed wing. Theyll understand the avionics and have the spatial awareness to do better than the others. Followed by K then F

What most non-pilots don't understand is this: While making an approach and landing, air traffic control, talking on the radio, navigating, and operating the airplane's mechanical systems (electric, hydraulic, pneumatic etc.) while important, they are just miniscule little details that are conducted by some obscure corner of a pilot's brain while he attends to FLYING the airplane.

Actually flying the airplane in the three-dimensional universe with its chaotic, unpredictable and invisible winds, considering momentum, inertia, lagtimes, and other variables and doing this from a position where you cannot even see 99.9% of your own airplane without having thousands of hours building muscle memory, eye-brain abilities to judge flightpath instantaneously and respond to deviations right NOW and with the correct action, well, it just isn't going to happen no matter your mastery of the little housekeeping chores.

Just for example, a standard ILS glideslope is 3° a very "shalow" one might be 2.7° and a very steep one requiring large deviations from the usual descent settings might be as much as 3.3° Now would you seriously bet your life that you could judge by eye alone a difference in angle of three tenths of a degree? How about your ability to continually re-judge it while your own miscalculations carry you above it and accelerating and/or below it and sinking and you haven't thought to, or had time to eyeball the N1 or EPR that was working for you before? How about all of this while knowing that if you get it wrong there is no airbag that is going to save you - you are going to have a front-row seat for the crash? Pilots, simply because of years of looking at them, see the minor glidepath angle differences above as huge, glaring differences. I'd bet that an experience pilot will be concerned, alarmed even, by a glidepath angle deviation of perhaps a second of angle.

Oh, and I need to add "N" as my last choice. That would be a doctor with a private pilot license, with multi and instrument ratings and a quarter-share in a C-90 King Air.

edit: New last choice: "O" John Travolta.

[Edited 2008-07-24 08:42:14]
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:18 pm



Quoting BWilliams (Reply 26):
We non-pilot a.netters still have some idea on how flying works and could take directions from ATC, figure out the basic systems, and hopefully at least get on solid ground.

The last part of this is probably correct.....you surely will come across solid ground or maybe water.  Smile Other than that, I'm thinking you'd best be kissing your XXX goodbye.

new last choice: "P" Arnold Palmer

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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:40 pm

Quoting Flexo (Reply 27):
Someone who can safely fly helicopters, which are much harder to control, should be able to fly almost anything.
At the very least he'd probably know the most about aviation in general among the healthy people on the list.

I'll second that, as long as the helos (s)he piloted were turbine.

Speaking as someone one who has never flown a jet...

I'd like to think that anyone with a reasonable degree of aircraft knowledge, (as in, they're flown something before), will get the principles of control fairly quickly if not particularly accurately. But I would really rather have someone up there who knows how to handle a jet engine correctly.

Actually, at the risk of sounding like a bad novel, how about this;

Army whirlybird driver at the controls, A&P Mech looking after the motors, and a flight sim geek with their eyes inside the cockpit scanning the instruments.

There you go. I think that's a mix that'll give you at least the chance of a good landing, which is apparently defined as one you can walk away from.

:::EDIT::: I posted this before I read the entire thread. SlamClick, as expected, pretty much alluded to why I suggested. More eyes and ears.

[Edited 2008-07-24 09:41:35]
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:44 pm

I just wanted to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:37 pm



Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 30):
But add an L for Flight Simulator Engineers, they fly the things the whole time.

As a sim engineer I'd have to agree with Hotelmode that that option should be added. Sim technicians would have an even better chance since they have to pre-flight every sim once a day, which usually includes a circuit to land exercising all the systems and weather options. An A&P tech knows the aircraft in detail but without some flying expertise as well this is no great advantage.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 32):
Just for example, a standard ILS glideslope is 3° a very "shalow" one might be 2.7° and a very steep one requiring large deviations from the usual descent settings might be as much as 3.3° Now would you seriously bet your life that you could judge by eye alone a difference in angle of three tenths of a degree? How about your ability to continually re-judge it while your own miscalculations carry you above it and accelerating and/or below it and sinking and you haven't thought to, or had time to eyeball the N1 or EPR that was working for you before? How about all of this while knowing that if you get it wrong there is no airbag that is going to save you - you are going to have a front-row seat for the crash? Pilots, simply because of years of looking at them, see the minor glidepath angle differences above as huge, glaring differences. I'd bet that an experience pilot will be concerned, alarmed even, by a glidepath angle deviation of perhaps a second of angle.

Absolutely true, but I don't think most non-pilots would accept this challenge hand flying the landing like that, purely visually. Though I think I probably could handle a real life landing in an airliner I was familiar with, I wouldn't risk it unless there was no other choice. So it would be automatics all the way for me. I know some sim engineers who have landed the real thing on training flights (absolutely unofficially of course and with a pilot on hand to supervise). Sim engineers and technicians have a good mix of skills to act as substitute pilots.


In answer to the original question I too would vote for the F/E (not on the list but certainly available on an L-1011). If that wasn't allowed then I'd choose K. The CFI might have a hernia but that shouldn't affect his flying skill. Most of his students probably thought he had a permanent migraine too.  Wink
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:51 pm



Quoting BAe146QT (Reply 34):
Army whirlybird driver at the controls, A&P Mech looking after the motors, and a flight sim geek with their eyes inside the cockpit scanning the instruments.

..will result in crash due to bad CRM.


Now, for all you pc flight sim experts that truly believe you could operate, fly and land a couple hundred tons of metal through training on realistic "add ons" to a computer game, always remember: Pride goes before fall[ing out of the sky], literally!


I would go for the army helicopter guy!

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Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:04 pm

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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:41 am



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 15):
L. An aDOTnetter who would fly around looking for a conveyor belt to land it on, and run out of gas and have to stay up there?

that or a giant fan so you dont need a runway lol.


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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:42 am



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 16):
I'm kinda bummed no one has picked A, but that's only because I'm pretty sure as a FA I could land the airplane if I had too.

You know, if that FA had gotten onto the flight deck of the Helios 737, we'd have a case study to base that on, one way or the other. He also had some formal flight training though.

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Surely you can't be serious!

He is serious...& stop calling him Shirley!  Big grin

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Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:59 am



Quoting MissedApproach (Reply 40):
You know, if that FA had gotten onto the flight deck of the Helios 737, we'd have a case study to base that on, one way or the other. He also had some formal flight training though.

He did get into the flightdeck though, but was probably too confused by then to do anything. He was a PPL training to be a pilot with the airline. Something of a special case.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:05 am



Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 41):
He did get into the flightdeck though, but was probably too confused by then to do anything. He was a PPL training to be a pilot with the airline. Something of a special case.

No, he was a commercial pilot who was going to put in for a pilot spot soon at the airline. He knew the 737 sorta well enough to land according to the crash report.

As he got ready to try to set up to descnd/land, the plane ran out of fuel b/c it had been holding over Athens for 3 hours.

Even if a PPL pilot was put into the spot, he would not have much to go on w/o fuel.
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:52 am



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 42):
No, he was a commercial pilot who was going to put in for a pilot spot soon at the airline. He knew the 737 sorta well enough to land according to the crash report.

My understanding was he was under training. According to wiki he had 260-270 hours, but it doesn't say on what type.

In theory he could have controlled the aircraft after the fuel ran out, but probably didn't have the strength left.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:56 am



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 38):
Always pick the monkey. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

And a total lack of it is even more dangerous.
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:30 am



Quoting SEPilot (Reply 44):
And a total lack of it is even more dangerous.

But at least the monkey will be more entertaining.
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:25 am

Personally I would,unless I find someone better.
If the A&P mechanic is qualified on that type then def,else the helicopter pilot followed by the simulator geek as F/O.

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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:55 am



Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 43):
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I will trust the offical crash report over wiki  Wink
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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:18 pm

I'm not sure I'd pick anyone who hadn't flown an aircraft before ... real or sim.

Not 100% sure about rotary-wing pilots. I know at least 2 helicopter pilots that couldn't fly a fixed wing any better than a sim geek  Wink

I guess there's a lot more questions .... do we assume they have radio contact with ATC or somebody on the ground? If they do, then the requirement to know every single system in detail, falls lower down the list.

I'm the kind of guy that reads technical manuals and books for fun, and I knew every damn system and every ATC phrase, etc. etc. before I first sat in the left seat for the very first time. Could I physically fly that plane any better than the guy who only knew XBox 360 games ...probably not. It's a completely different set of skills for sure.

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RE: Who Would You Rather Have Flying?

Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:22 pm



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 47):
I will trust the offical crash report over wiki

I couldn't find the official crash report, but everything else I've read indicates the F/A was training to fly transport category aircraft. What does the accident report say he was rated to fly?
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