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FAA Ruling On Center Fuel Tanks

Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:47 pm

This may have been discussed already, but I came across a link on the FAA's ruling on center fuel tanks for certain Boeing and Airbus aircraft. In some retrospects this ruling is a lil bit late, but is for the best. Are there any words on the airlines complaining aout the costs or effectiveness of the system?


Here is the link....

http://www.airdisaster.com/news/article.php?id=29
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RE: FAA Ruling On Center Fuel Tanks

Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:37 pm



Quoting B727LVR (Thread starter):
This may have been discussed already, but I came across a link on the FAA's ruling on center fuel tanks for certain Boeing and Airbus aircraft.

It's not just Boeing and Airbus...it's all FAA-certified aircraft with tanks that meet the profile (greater flammability exposure than an unheated aluminum wing tank).

Quoting B727LVR (Thread starter):
Are there any words on the airlines complaining aout the costs or effectiveness of the system?

There are, literally, thousands of pages of comments from virtually every major airline in response to the original proposed rule. They're basically universally negative, except the cargo pilots group (they want it on freighters too) and the families of TWA800 group (no surprise).

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RE: FAA Ruling On Center Fuel Tanks

Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:14 pm



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 1):
They're basically universally negative, except the cargo pilots group (they want it on freighters too) and the families of TWA800 group (no surprise).

I'm not too surprised that the reports would be negative. What did surprise me was the fact that the freight haulers would not be required to have the system installed. I believe I would be asking for it to be installed as well if I were those pilots. I know the report said the costs were the reason for them not to be installed in the freighters, but there has to be a better one than that. Forgive me if I sound a little blunt, but that says that freight pilots aren't worth the cost to keep them safe, and I don't agree with that. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the system they are refering to is similar to the one installed in the 737's currently.
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RE: FAA Ruling On Center Fuel Tanks

Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:01 pm



Quoting B727LVR (Reply 2):
I'm not too surprised that the reports would be negative. What did surprise me was the fact that the freight haulers would not be required to have the system installed. I believe I would be asking for it to be installed as well if I were those pilots. I know the report said the costs were the reason for them not to be installed in the freighters, but there has to be a better one than that. Forgive me if I sound a little blunt, but that says that freight pilots aren't worth the cost to keep them safe, and I don't agree with that. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the system they are refering to is similar to the one installed in the 737's currently.

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RE: FAA Ruling On Center Fuel Tanks

Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:04 am



Quoting B727LVR (Reply 2):
I know the report said the costs were the reason for them not to be installed in the freighters, but there has to be a better one than that.

Actually, there doesn't. The cost/benefit calculation used by the FAA for rulemaking is pretty clear and the flammability reduction just barely squeaks over the line (even from the very optimistic FAA stance) for passenger operations...the likely number of deaths in freighter operations is far far too low to meet the cost/benefit hurdle.

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 2):
Forgive me if I sound a little blunt, but that says that freight pilots aren't worth the cost to keep them safe, and I don't agree with that.

To be equally blunt, that's how the laws are made. Suppose the cost to keep them safe was $100 billion per airplane...obviously, that's too high and nobody would do it. Suppose it was $0 per airplane...then everyone would do it. People can (and do) fight a lot about where the line is but you can't deny that the line exists.

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 2):
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the system they are refering to is similar to the one installed in the 737's currently.

Sort of. The system that Boeing will use is very similar to the existing one. However, the FAA rule doesn't actually specify what system you have to use, just how effective the system (whatever you use) has to be. OEM's are free to use whatever system they like to meet the performance requirements of the rule.

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RE: FAA Ruling On Center Fuel Tanks

Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:46 am



Quoting Jhooper (Reply 3):
Yea, we freightdogs are expendable

Yup. Currently 2 people is seen as not very worth getting worked up over.

200? Gets a bit more attention.

That said, I'd suspect that the FAA will look at it more/again when

A. passenger adoption brings the real cost to the table for review and if its cheap enough....

and/or

B. a freighter has an "issue" with this problem.


Sad to say though freighters just don't kill enough people to make anyone care much about them outside of the potential victums which again isn't much at all compared to the millions of passengers, stockholders, etc.

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