leftwing
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Boeing 777 Class 3 EFB

Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:58 am

Flight Operations Engineering, Mitsuo Koga. "EFB allows us to create a link between our airplanes and ground teams and helps us to be safer and more efficient in our operations.".....How do airlines really benefit from EFB's....what is Aibus doing for an EFB solution....
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Class 3 EFB

Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:59 pm

Alot of the EFB have company manuals load on them (Performace, MEL, etc). I do not know if they still carry a paper copy, but with them load on the EFB you can access it quickly and updating does not take that long. I know airport charts are also loaded on, but you can not use the EFB for navigation.
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Class 3 EFB

Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:26 pm



Quoting LeftWing (Thread starter):
How do airlines really benefit from EFB's....what is Aibus doing for an EFB solution....

First of all, not all EFBs are created equal. There are three classes, Class 1, 2 and 3. The difference is in how they are used and how they interface with the aircraft.

Class 1 EFBs are Portable Electronic Devices (PED), are stowed, not normally used during take-off and landing operations, and do not require an administrative process to remove them from the aircraft.

Class 2 EFBs are normally mounted in a position where they are utilized during all phases of flight and require an administrative process to remove/replace from the aircraft. Both Class 1 and 2 EFBs are considered Portable Electronic Devices. Fixed equipment such as computer mounts or docking stations require design approval.

Class 3 EFBs are fixed, installed equipment and therefore require installation design approval.

Further more the software used is classified according to it's use.

Type A Applications
- Use pre-composed and fixed data
- May be hosted on any of the hardware classes
- Require operational approval
Examples include: Flight Operations Manuals (FOM), Company Standard Operating Procedures (SOP), fault reporting applications, etc.

Type B Applications
- Use dynamic and interactive data
- May be hosted on any of the hardware classes
- Require operational approval
- Require regulatory agency evaluation
Examples include: performance calculations (such as takeoff, en route, and landing), weight and balance calculations, weather and aeronautical data, etc.

Some of the benefits of an EFB are as follows:

Reduce paper in the cockpit, which decreases weight and cuts down clutter
Reduce cost and workload required to update documents
Keep information up-to-date, enabling easy document revision (e.g., through wireless data transfer)
Send flight reports quickly and effectively, allowing issues to be addressed more rapidly
Reduce fuel and maintenance costs by using accurate take-off and landing calculations
Improve safety with onboard performance calculations
Increase payload with real-time performance calculations
Improve routing decisions by accessing real-time weather information

Airbus has made the 380 with a EFB (Class 3) as an option and Boeing have a similar option for the 777 and the 787. Both companies are in the process of making kits available for other aircraft but I couldn't tell you the status of them.
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RE: Boeing 777 Class 3 EFB

Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:29 pm



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 2):
Boeing have a similar option for the 777 and the 787

I was under the impression that the EFB Class 3 comes standard with the 787...
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RE: Boeing 777 Class 3 EFB

Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:46 pm



Quoting ZuluAviator994 (Reply 3):

I was under the impression that the EFB Class 3 comes standard with the 787...

you are correct:

Dual class 3 Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) touchscreen displays are provided as
basic equipment, one each in the captain and first officer's outboard consoles.
Each EFB provides an interface for a user-furnished keyboard, which is stowed in
the pilots' outboard consoles.
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Class 3 EFB

Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:32 pm



Quoting Pianos101 (Reply 4):
Dual class 3 Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) touchscreen displays are provided as
basic equipment, one each in the captain and first officer's outboard consoles.
Each EFB provides an interface for a user-furnished keyboard, which is stowed in
the pilots' outboard consoles.

Oh I really want one of those planes now..  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Boeing 777 Class 3 EFB

Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:31 am



Quoting LeftWing (Thread starter):
what is Aibus doing for an EFB solution....

The A380 comes with a Class 3 EFP (Airbus calls it the Onboard Information System (OIS)), the OIS has the aircraft manuals (FCOMs), performance/W&B, charts, and weather charts (SIGWX etc) as well at other features, they will also be standard on the A350.

Also the ND on the A380 scales down to taxiway level so that information with a moving map is in front of the pilots, they call that the Onboard Airport Navigation System (OANS).

Also look at http://www.content.airbusworld.com/S...ices/html/acrobat/brochure_efb.pdf
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RE: Boeing 777 Class 3 EFB

Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:01 am

Phil...grt reply...

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 2):
Improve safety with onboard performance calculations

..is that not a very generic statement ?... can an EFB really improve safety ?
 Wow!
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Class 3 EFB

Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:03 pm



Quoting LeftWing (Reply 7):

..is that not a very generic statement ?... can an EFB really improve safety ?

One of the drawbacks with most performance calculations is the "measure with a micrometer, mark with a grease pencil and cut with an axe". The nice thing about a EFB is the computer can do the arithmetic calculation to get an exact performance figure. The tab data many airlines use is a series or rounding up to ensure safety and as a result there are many cases where more payload could be safely uploaded with no adverse compromise in safety.

In situations such as a contaminated runway with a MEL item, a EFB makes the calculation a snap, thus improving safety. I can remember a few situations where there was a contaminated runway, alone, and you had 4 pilots on the flight deck and you arrived at 4 different performance calculations.

So, yes, an EFB can be a big increase in safety.
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