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What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:40 pm

I just wondered what information imigration (or check in staff) see when they scan your passport at an airport. It seemed to be taking ages today after arriving in Terminal 5 with the imigration staff looking very closely at their screens.

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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:49 am

In the US, they can see any entry that you have made in the past, regardless of passport. It must be name and birth date linked. I have three passports, two from the UK and one from Canada. I recently entered the US on my Canadian passport and the INS (immigration) guard made a comment on me entering in the past on a "bunch of different passports." I always enter using the passport on which I'm currently living, and told him so, and everything was fine. Not sure that the airlines have such info, more just to identify you and make sure you can enter the country you are flying to.
 
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:12 pm



Quoting Adools (Reply 1):
It must be name and birth date linked.

Correct. The only information that the passport chip provides is information related to that passport holder. The information only shows personal information that is in the passport itself, previous entries and notes. Notes will flag any passport reported as stolen/lost or hold/detainers requests placed by state. federal or international law enforcement. Example; if Adools were to enter the US, commit a crime and attempt to leave, the information pertaining to any criminal act would be uploaded into the NCIC system. Upon arriving at Customs, the computer would flag him and a remark would show up in the Notes section. The agent would then detain him until he could be transported back to the demanding jurisdiction.
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:23 am

Had the same coming back to Portsmouth on the boat on saturday night. They ran the edge of the passport through a card reader. Presumably linked to a whole load of databases keeping a check on who's coming into the country and if they're of any interest.
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:27 pm

It tells them what you had for breakfast, everything about your personal life, how much money you earn, where you've been, where you're going, what for, what pets you have, what their names are, what kind of car you drive.........or at least that's what some people think  Big grin
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:16 am



Quoting 57AZ (Reply 2):
Example; if Adools were to enter the US, commit a crime and attempt to leave, the information pertaining to any criminal act would be uploaded into the NCIC system. Upon arriving at Customs, the computer would flag him and a remark would show up in the Notes section. The agent would then detain him until he could be transported back to the demanding jurisdiction.

Except that pax don't pass passport/customs control when LEAVING the US.... only on entering. Almost all other countries in the world have passport/customs both on leaving and entering their country.
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:01 am

On international flights don't the ticket agents check your passport? Its been a bit since I flew international, but I recall them swiping my passport.
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:12 am



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 5):
Except that pax don't pass passport/customs control when LEAVING the US.... only on entering. Almost all other countries in the world have passport/customs both on leaving and entering their country.

Well, as AKiss20 mentions, the airline still collects the passport info on behalf of the people with the black helicopters.

There is really no need for customs on exit. I can't think of a country that has this. Perhaps some totalitarian state.
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:47 am



Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 6):
On international flights don't the ticket agents check your passport? Its been a bit since I flew international, but I recall them swiping my passport.

US carriers collect info and add your passport details to your reservation. The swipe is to make it easier to add the details, without typing it all in. The formatting of the command can be a pain, so the swipe makes it easier to get it in the PNR.

Plus, when youre on your return, they forward that info to USCIS/INS so that they can see who is inbound...
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:34 am



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):
There is really no need for customs on exit. I can't think of a country that has this. Perhaps some totalitarian state.

Can't speak for the airlines, but in the corporate world I would say that nearly every country we leave from requires some sort of customs clearance. In fact, in places like Brazil we've had to position to 'international' airports just to clear outbound customs.
 
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Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:38 am



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):
There is really no need for customs on exit. I can't think of a country that has this. Perhaps some totalitarian state.

Depends. Since customs are also the enforcement branch of the tax office, e.g. in Germany they'll do random spot checks on the roads leading to Switzerland or Luxemburg, to catch people who get money into or out of these tax havens. If, as a resident in Germany, you have declared to the German tax department that you have an account in e.g. Luxemburg and pay your regular tax on the interrest it brings, everything is ok, but if it is money, which has bypassed thwe normal taxation process, you are going to be in deep sh*t if being caught. In any case, you'll have to report any amount above IIRC 10,000 Euros to the customs department if your are bringing it in or taking it out of the country, in accordance with the European anti-money laundering laws.

I have to say though that most tax dodgers make it quite easy for the customs officers: They use the main Autobahn to Luxemburg, driving big BMWs, Mercs or wiith Frankfurt number plates (Frankfurt/Main is Germany's business center, where most banks have their headquarters), with a suitcase full of money on the passenger seat.

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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:47 pm



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 5):
Except that pax don't pass passport/customs control when LEAVING the US.... only on entering. Almost all other countries in the world have passport/customs both on leaving and entering their country.

No departure controls from Canada either.
 
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:35 pm



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):
There is really no need for customs on exit. I can't think of a country that has this. Perhaps some totalitarian state.

No need? Oh, ok. We'll just say that people can take any amount of money out of a country bypassing tax and customs laws, freely relieve a country of its historical artefacts and national treasures, use a country as a base for drug trafficking, etc. etc. etc.

There are a hell of a lot of reasons. But hey, because I don't do anything bad that must mean nobody else does, and that all these checks are an insult and a waste of my time, right?
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:43 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 12):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):
There is really no need for customs on exit. I can't think of a country that has this. Perhaps some totalitarian state.

No need? Oh, ok. We'll just say that people can take any amount of money out of a country bypassing tax and customs laws, freely relieve a country of its historical artefacts and national treasures, use a country as a base for drug trafficking, etc. etc. etc.

Fair point, as were the rest above. But you might think about toning it down a little. A simple "you are mistaken" works fine. No need to get all condescending. Chill out. I get it.



So for the record: I was mistaken. And I'm not unhappy about that. I learned something. I'm happy when I learn stuff.

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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:15 pm



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):
Fair point, as were the rest above. But you might think about toning it down a little

Fair enough, and I apologise. However, you did refer to exit checks and totalitarian states in the same breath, which was a bit much. Also, I was talking more about the necessity or justifications for such controls rather than whether they exist or not.
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:30 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14):
Fair enough, and I apologise. However, you did refer to exit checks and totalitarian states in the same breath, which was a bit much.

Peace. In my mind I had "exit checks" confused with "restrictions on travel".
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RE: What Do Imigration See When They Scan A Passport?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:11 am



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 5):
Except that pax don't pass passport/customs control when LEAVING the US.... only on entering. Almost all other countries in the world have passport/customs both on leaving and entering their country.

Well, as AKiss20 mentions, the airline still collects the passport info on behalf of the people with the black helicopters.

There is really no need for customs on exit. I can't think of a country that has this. Perhaps some totalitarian state.

New Zealand, Australia, UK, Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau, Japan, etc
AFAIK it is so that you can't leave if you have a pending arrest warrant, childsupport, etc
The reason airlines collect that info is a) to identify you, b) to make sure you have a visa for the country you are flying to, c) to make sure you documents are valid, d) to inform authorities if you are on some kind of terror list I would assume.
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