upsmd11
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ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:36 pm

Hi all,

Today I was on an ExpressJet (ContinentalExpress) flight from SDF - CLE. The electric hydraulic pump on our E145 was bad so the captain came back the gate and said a part and mechanic would have to be flown in from IAH to make the fix.

My question is in regards to maintenance facilities and how airlines share. I know we have a Chautaqua facility here in Louisville that does maintenance, would it generally be less expensive to use this 3rd party of fly a mechanic and part in from IAH and wait for the repair that way?

Do airlines have reciprocal agreements for maintenance?

Cheers,
John
 
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RE: ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:51 pm



Quoting UPSMD11 (Thread starter):

Do airlines have reciprocal agreements for maintenance?

It depends.... with the on the on going tensions between Expressjet (strong Union), Mainline and the transfer of jobs to CHQ I'd say there was no way Expressjet would let CHQ come over and work on their plane.
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A10WARTHOG
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RE: ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:41 pm

CHQ may not have had the part to spare.
 
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RE: ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:05 am

It depends on the airline and if they offer third party MX services at a particular station, example Delta Tech Ops working on a BA 777 in ATL.

Odds are that CHQ would not spare the part ( if expressjet even asked to buy it ) for expressjet's on call mx in SDF to use.

As for Republic Airways we don't offer third party mx outside of the company, example a Shuttle America mech working on a Chautauqua plane.

Most stations you can find some comradery between airline mx staffs, and you can get help or tooling from other airlines as long as you keep the back channels open!!!
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RE: ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:56 pm



Quoting UPSMD11 (Thread starter):
My question is in regards to maintenance facilities and how airlines share. I know we have a Chautaqua facility here in Louisville that does maintenance, would it generally be less expensive to use this 3rd party of fly a mechanic and part in from IAH and wait for the repair that way?

There is a CHQ mtx line and hangar in SDF. Only a few mech works during the day there out on the line. If they're busy, they won't do any contract work because their airline comes first.

As in your case, the plane went AOG and it makes more sense to ship a part with the mech if one is avail to do the job or assit with the R&R of the hyd pump and the hyd pump is not avail locally.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
It depends.... with the on the on going tensions between Expressjet (strong Union), Mainline and the transfer of jobs to CHQ I'd say there was no way Expressjet would let CHQ come over and work on their plane.

Wrong, I was called to work on a Expressjet 145 at LGA recently. PSU fell down from the overhead in the cabin.

Quoting S5LineATL (Reply 3):
Odds are that CHQ would not spare the part ( if expressjet even asked to buy it ) for expressjet's on call mx in SDF to use.

It depends if CHQ has the part or not. I would say if they just only have one in stock, they most likey will not let you have it.

It all comes down to the approval of the AOG dept and the purchasing deal being worked out for payment of the part before it can leave CHQ parts dept to another airline.

Quoting S5LineATL (Reply 3):
As for Republic Airways we don't offer third party mx outside of the company, example a Shuttle America mech working on a Chautauqua plane.

That is incorrect. At my base in LGA, it's a CHQ line mtx and we provide mtx for CHQ, Republic airlines and Shuttle America.

The only exceptation is if we have to install a new engine, replace a PCU, or anything requiring a inspector signature on a Republic airlines or Shuttle America plane, the respective airline will fly in their own inspector to do the inspection and signoff.


Now the problem with handling all of the three airlines, the base manager has set up policies if we get a call from Republic Airlines or Shuttle America:

CHQ comes first, whoever calls in next will be on a "waiting list" below CHQ planes until we're not busy with the manpower on CHQ planes.

I'm sorry you're gonna have to wait...if I'm working on a Shuttle or Republic plane and I get a call from CHQ that a plane called at departure time, Returned to Gate or Returned to Field...I will get pulled off and work the CHQ plane and return when I'm avail.

I have worked on these planes under contract with my airline:

Air Canada ERJ-175 and A320
Expressjet ERJ-145
Trans states airlines ERJ-145 (no more until further notice)


Latey, I have to say Shuttle America pilots needs to understand LGA is a CHQ base and we DO NOT CARRY parts for the ERJ-170 other than tires, brakes, log books, download card, o2 masks and a few circuit boards for the MAU's.
LGA CHQ is a ERJ-145 base and we have parts for most of the ERJ-145.

Once in a while, I'd get a call to look at something on a Shuttle plane....arrive and the pilot asks to have the MEL cleared and it needs a part  Yeah sure
Last time? one of the pax seat got urinated on and it was removed and placed on MEL.

I had to inform the pilots that we don't carry parts for the 170's and if they want it replaced, go to IND, ATL, or CMH and ask there.
 
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RE: ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:46 am

We really should have some basic parts at LGA. We do quite a bit of flying there for Delta.

Ah well, the same people that decide where the parts are stocked are probably the same people that figured out it was more cost-effective to furlough me.
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RE: ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:37 am

I worked for an FBO in MI, and we had contracts with some airlines to provide qualified mechanics for on-call maintenance issues.
 
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RE: ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:23 am

Nice maintenance call out......this seats been peed on. Sad
 
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RE: ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:46 pm



Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 7):
Nice maintenance call out......this seats been peed on.

You'd be suprised.

Actually, you probably wouldn't be.
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RE: ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:13 pm



Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 8):
Actually, you probably wouldn't be.

Oh the beauty of the people that can afford a 90 dollar one way fare, as well as the camaraderie among carriers (jumpseat refusals, regionals undercutting another regional for what should be mainline flying etc etc...). So when is this CFI'ing gonna be over so I can hurry up and get to the big show. I can't wait!
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RE: ExpressJet / Chautaqua Maintenance

Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:29 pm

I do not know what Expressjet policy is with parts, but when I was at MQ the company (rather it is a 145 repair station, another airline, etc) had to be on the approved vendor list in order for us to take a part.

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