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Civilian Version Of Barnes Wallis' Victory Bomber

Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:51 pm

Barnes Wallis drew up in 1940 rough specifications for a bomber he christened the ‘Victory Bomber’ – it would weigh 50 tons and fly at 320mph at 45,000 feet carrying a 10-ton bomb for 4,000 miles.

It went through a period of development before being abandoned - apparently a major problem (as far as the Air Staff were concerned) was the ability to carry only one large bomb - didn't seem to know about the atom bomb....

Specs of the Victory Bomber:

1941

Span(ft.in/m): 172/52.4
Length(ft.in/m): 96/29.3
Wing area(ft2/m2): 2675/248.8
Max Weight(lb/kg): 104,000/47,174
Engines: 6x Merlin RM.6.SM or Hercules
Max speed(mph/kmh) at height(ft/m): 352/566 at 32,000/9,754
Armament: 1x 10ton bomb, 4x defensive guns


1942

Span(ft.in/m): 172.1/52.5
Length(ft.in/m): 100.8/30.7
Wing area(ft2/m2): 2676/248.9
Max Weight(lb/kg): 113,500/51,484
Engines: 6x Merlin 60
Max speed(mph/kmh) at height(ft/m): 360/579 at 40,000/12,192
Armament: 32,000lb of bombs, 2x 0.5" MGs


Now, what kind of performance do you think you could have got from a passenger transport version that used the wings but had a new circular pressurised fuselage in the same way the Valiant, Victor and Vulcan all had passenger transports that used their wings etc?

[Edited 2008-09-16 12:52:18]
 
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RE: Civilian Version Of Barnes Wallis' Victory Bomber

Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:21 am

Isn't the Vickers Windsor your Victory Bomber?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Windsor

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RE: Civilian Version Of Barnes Wallis' Victory Bomber

Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:49 pm

Isn't the Vickers Windsor your Victory Bomber?

No this is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Bomber
 
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RE: Civilian Version Of Barnes Wallis' Victory Bomber

Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:02 pm

Sorry, it's twice as heavy, I didn't look at your specifications.

On paper, it's as fast as the B-29, which is pretty good, but I don't think a passenger version of this would have changed aviation history. It would probably have been too big for the airlines, like the Brabazon and Stratocruiser.

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RE: Civilian Version Of Barnes Wallis' Victory Bomber

Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:42 pm



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 3):
It would probably have been too big for the airlines, like the Brabazon and Stratocruiser.

Not so sure about that, looking at Richard Payne's 'Stuck on the Drawing Board' some of the proposals for the 5/48 spec for a Long Range Empire Aircraft had wingspans up to 163ft so its not that much bigger (Design speed was to be between 300 and 350mph and it would be able to carry a 9,000lb payload over a range of 4,500miles).

The whole spec was rendered obsolete by jet aircraft but if the wings had been available sooner....who knows??
 
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RE: Civilian Version Of Barnes Wallis' Victory Bomber

Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:38 pm



Quoting PMN1 (Reply 4):
Long Range Empire Aircraft



Quoting PMN1 (Reply 4):
'Stuck on the Drawing Board'

I think that says it all...

The succesful long-range airliners after the war were smaller, more practical aircraft, such as the DC-4. These large, very luxurious British aircraft were designed for the prewar world in which a few elite pasengers would depart to some far-flung corner of the Empire once a week.
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