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A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:23 am

Apart from the fact that the A320-214 has CFM56-5B4 or -5B4/P engines and the -216 has CFM56-5B6 engines is there a higher take off weight (77000kgs) for the latter model? Which other 320 variant with CFM engines has a 77000kgs MTOW?

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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:27 pm

AFAIK the only other 320 variant with CFM engines is the -212. Don't know the MTOW.

-212 = CFM56-5A3
-214 = CFM56-5B4/P or CFM56-5B4/2P
-216 = CFM56-5B4/p (Uprated by 300 lb)
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:56 pm



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
AFAIK the only other 320 variant with CFM engines is the -212

Ah, how dare you forget the -211 with the 5A1!  biggrin  On top of that, there's the -215 with the -5B5/P engine.

Information about each model and the corresponding weight options can be found here:

http://www.easa.europa.eu/ws_prod/c/...0Iss%204%20dtd%2017%20Jul%2008.pdf
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:49 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 2):

Ah, how dare you forget the -211 with the 5A1! biggrin On top of that, there's the -215 with the -5B5/P engine

Heh. People forget to send me updates. I can hardly be blamed for this.  Wink

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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:32 pm



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
Heh. People forget to send me updates. I can hardly be blamed for this.

No problem. Apart from that, there never was an A320-100 with IAE engines, so the -131 version doesn't exist. And using the link I provided, you can add data for the A321-212/213.
There's also the A380-842 with the Trent 970B (or so I think).
Some HGW versions of the A345/6 use more powerful engines, the -643 has the Trent 560 and the -542 has the Trent 556.
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:21 pm

Thanks man! I'll update again later.
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:34 am



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
-212 = CFM56-5A3

Is that the engine the older HP birds use?
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:26 am

All updated thanks. I'll double check the existing ones with that pdf some other day. No time now. Sick kid x2 in da house.  Sad
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:25 am

Rare are the 215 and 216 variants ! The most commons are -211, -212, -214. Difference remains in the appelation, and the power !

For A32S, IAE engines are most powerful.
 
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:09 pm



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):

Hi, I noticed a glitch with the A320-216. It is actually powered by the -5B6/P. Compared to the -5B4/P, it actually has less thrust, hence the lower takeoff weights.

And I feel guilty for not giving the exact designations for the A340-643, which is powered by the Trent 560A2-61. Same goes for the -542, it is powered by the Trent 556A2-61.
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:39 pm

Whoops, a mistake on my part. The A380-842 is actually powered by either the Trent 972-84 or Trent 972B-84, the -841 is powered by either Trent 970-84 or Trent 970B-84.
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:37 pm

Thanks for the updates. I'll fix that later.
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:32 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
Heh. People forget to send me updates. I can hardly be blamed for this. Wink

Based on my read of this, it looks like the last number meaning a certain engine only works within a type (A3XX), not types within the family, which doesn't quite make sense to me. For example, An A340-313 and an A340-213 have exactly the same engine, the CFM56-5C4, whereas an A319-112 and an A320-212 have different engines. Structurally, these two sets of planes are rather analogous (one of each pair is a slight shrink), so why not keep the same engine designation numbers? If I were in a MX team, I would find it much easier to memorize one set of last numbers that correspond to an entire family (e.g. A32X-X33 always has a V2527) than have to get it for each of the different members.

Also, I've read a number of seemingly conflicting things regarding the HGW/non-HGW designations about the A340-500/600. On your site, the A340 500/600 appear to have a consistent designation for engine types, as follows:
A340-541: T553
A340-X42 (where X can be 5 or 6): T556
A340-643: T560

I've seen in numerous posts that the HGW variants have an "X" appended to their designation, and that both have the 380 ton MTOW and more powerful engines. Thus, I would expect the entire family to look like this:

A340-541: T553, 372 t MTOW
A340-542X: T556, 380 t MTOW (HGW version)
A340-642: T556, 368 t MTOW
A340-643X: T560, 380 t MTOW (HGW version)

Now, there are plenty of pictures of LH A340-600s in the a.net database, and as far as I can see they're all labeled "A340-642." On LH-taufnamen, the last 10 of them (D-AIHP-D-AIHZ) are listed as A340-642X. Does this mean that LH bought 380 t A340-600s with T556 engines, or is there an inconsistent labeling format? If so, what's the correct one?
 
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:12 am

the A320 models 211-214-216 231-232-233 can be ordered with any variation of weight variations or engines either CFM56-5B
for the 21X or v2500 for the23X. the highest weight variants were wv7,10,12 77T mgwt, 15 and 17 with 78T
I paged thru the SRM and found NO wv-17's , a few -15's, and a L:OT of 10's 77T, (mostly ordered by UAL and AmWest (now American via USAir).
The Problem with the A320 is the Life limit of 48K Hrs and 37.5K cycles unless the life extension si done for 80K hrs and 48K cycles. This might rule out A320's as freighters in the coming years.
 
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:49 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 13):

Thanks! Does this same pattern hold true for the A340s as well, where the MTOW and engine combos can be swapped around? IIRC, the T500 is the same engine anyway, and the thrust level is a software issue, do you know if you can buy a 380 ton frame with the weaker engines?
 
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:32 am

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 14):
Thanks! Does this same pattern hold true for the A340s as well, where the MTOW and engine combos can be swapped around? IIRC, the T500 is the same engine anyway, and the thrust level is a software issue, do you know if you can buy a 380 ton frame with the weaker engines?

Certainly you can get engines at different ratings, so I assume you can get different MTOW options.

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-211/311 = CFM56-5C2
-212/312 = CFM56-5C3
-213/313 = CFM56-5C4
-541 = Trent 553-61
-542 = Trent 556A2-61
-642 = Trent 556-61
-643 = Trent 560A2-61
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:22 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 15):

Does this mean that a LH A340-642X has the T556 and the 380 t MTOW?
 
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RE: A320-214 & -216 Differentiation Question

Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:29 am

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 16):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 15):

Does this mean that a LH A340-642X has the T556 and the 380 t MTOW?

All I can tell you is that it had the 556-61. I don't know about the MTOW.
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