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E190 Query

Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:19 am


Is the green box on the RH Outboard Wing LE indicating the locked Refuelling panel.Is the E190 panel equipped with a warning or is it something else?
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RE: E190 Query

Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:08 pm

It just shows the fueling door is closed and locked. In your picture it showing all doors closed and locked.... except the forward pax and service. You will also get a red box if the vent flaps are not closed.

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RE: E190 Query

Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:17 am

Could somebody run down those boxes and what they go with? I'm going to guess that it's as follows but please correct me:

Radome

L1 R1


Forward Cargo


Overwing Overwing


Fuel


(no idea?)

Aft Cargo




L2 R2

Lav? APU? Not sure
 
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RE: E190 Query

Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:58 am

I'd say by a guess
Electronics compartment
L1/R1
Fwd cargo
L/R Overwing doors
Refuelling panel
Access door
Aft cargo
L2/R2
Empennage Access door.

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RE: E190 Query

Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:05 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):
Electronics compartment
L1/R1
Fwd cargo
L/R Overwing doors
Refuelling panel
Access door
Aft cargo
L2/R2
Empennage Access door.

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FWD Avionics (a sliding door just forward of the nose gear.. access to MAU-1 and MAU-2 )
L1 - R1 (actually the vent flap door. It will show red unless they are closed )
Forward Cargo Door ( actually the vent flap door as well )
L - R Overwing Doors
Refueling Door
Mid Avionics Door ( a plug just behind the LH gear.. access to LICC - RICC )
Aft Cargo Door (vent flap as well )
L2 - R2 (vent flap)
Empennage Access ( Sys 3 Hyd and the HSTA )
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RE: E190 Query

Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:47 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
Good guess Hawk...

Thanks.it sure was a good guess....I think now Mx training on the E190 will be easy for me  wink 

Do you have a pic of the Electronic compartment.Also why does the Refuelling panel have a warning.Has something gone wrong,as B737/757 don't.

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RE: E190 Query

Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:23 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
Also why does the Refuelling panel have a warning.

It is just a warning that the panel is opened and the fueling panel is powered.

With it, a "refueling" in cyan appears on the EICAS.
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RE: E190 Query

Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:45 pm



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 6):
It is just a warning that the panel is opened and the fueling panel is powered.

With it, a "refueling" in cyan appears on the EICAS.

true.but the B737/757 does not have it.My question is why did emb think it was needed.Was there an occassion where it was unlocked earrlier.Why have expenditure & spares on a unpressurized panel that could be checked from outside.

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RE: E190 Query

Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:52 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
My question is why did emb think it was needed.

Probably just information to the cockpit crew advising that the aircraft is being refueled, not as much that the panel is open. As you probably know, the wings are not that easily visible.

It was the same on the narrow body Airbus. There was an ECAM message indicating when the aircraft was being refueled.

In my airline, there are very slight procedural changes when the aircraft is in the process of being refueled than when not.

The B737/B757 are old 1960's technology. It is been a long time since I flew an aircraft that did not advice the crew when being refueled.
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RE: E190 Query

Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:16 am

It's nice to know.

The fuel door indicator is especially handy these days because everybody is so concious about fuel usage. We usually turn the APU off at the gate as soon as we can but if the fuel door is open, we can assume they're fueling and therefore can't touch it.

SOP at S5 also dictated that you don't turn the beacon on and call for the before start checklist until the cargo doors are closed. You can hear the front one close usually but you can't hear the back and they are both very hard to see without some body contortion.
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RE: E190 Query

Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:06 am



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 8):
In my airline, there are very slight procedural changes when the aircraft is in the process of being refueled than when not.

Can you share them?
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